Nice one Scott - Good point and pointy hat!!!!!!!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Wilson" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Creating IMS compliant material
> I don't understand what you're arguing for or against here, Andy.
>
> (This isn't the silly myth of "standards hindering innovation" back again
is
> it? Can you get "Troll" points on JISCMAIL? ;-)
>
> Institutions have to purchase the systems that meet their business
> objectives. Compliance to standards is one issue - and one often largely
> tied up with factors like ease of replacement and integration costs.
>
> If its a rubbish VLE, compliance to standards shouldn't sell it. If its a
> brilliant VLE lack of standards-compliance shouldn't rule it out - you
just
> have to factor in the integration costs when making a purchase decision.
>
> Good grief its only XML, not the Spanish Inquisition.
>
> (Presumably working for CETIS I must already be part of the "exclusive IMS
> and SCORM club". I'll just get my cloak and pointy hat and I'll be round
> with the Soft Cushions to teach Andy the error of his ways :-)
>
> - Scott
>
> On 7/5/03 11:29 am, "Andy Black" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Danny, I have to disagree. Most 'real' VLEs should already have
those
> > features embedded within them. If they haven't, they should be called
learning
> > portals and NOT VLEs. IMS and SCORM have in most cases hindered any
initiative
> > driven establishments from investing in the systems that THEY think work
for
> > THEM. They are then 'pressurised' into the purchase of the vles/mle and
> > pseudo-
> > vles available as part of this exclusive IMS and SCORM club!
> >
> > I apologise for getting back into the "standards" debate again but
having seen
> > some of the recent surveys/reports and the list of vles available or
recommend
> > ed, I have slowly lost faith in any advisory and guideline
organisations.
> >
> > Just out of interest, has anyone had much experience in using
Macromedia's
> > Contribute software.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > Quoting Daniel McAtominey <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> >> "Why should you do all this, well if you want your learning object to
be
> >> tracked, or to record assessment, then you want it to be IMS compliant"
> >>
> >>
> >> Somewhat misleading at the present time as all that can be tracked is
use of
> >> an object and any assessment within a learning object is not linked
back
> >> into
> >> a VLE, so assessment results are not piped back, IMS compliant or not.
They
> >> may be in the future but at the moment this is not the case.
> >>
> >> Danny McAtominey
> >>
> >>> ===== Original Message From Virtual Learning Environments
> >> <[log in to unmask]> =====
> >>> Nigel's links are useful
> >>>
> >>> It can be useful to to put it in simple terms, an IMS compliant
learning
> >>> object should "sit" within any IMS compliant Learning Management
System
> >>> (ie VLE); so that using a TekniCAL tool I can create a learning object
> >>> which will sit on Blackboard, or using Microsoft LRN I can convert a
> >>> PowerPoint presentation into an IMS compliant learning object and sit
it
> >>> on TekniCAL's Virtual Campus.
> >>>
> >>> All the NLN materials are IMS compliant.
> >>>
> >>> Why should you do all this, well if you want your learning object to
be
> >>> tracked, or to record assessment, then you want it to be IMS
compliant.
> >>>
> >>> Also it helps to future-proof any learning objects you (and your staff
> >>> create)
> >>>
> >>> Contentious Point (look away now)
> >>>
> >>> This is also why I personally believe that interactive Word and Excel
> >>> files are a huge mistake and no institution should be encouraging
staff
> >>> to create or use them... as they are not IMS compliant.
> >>>
> >>> James Clay
> >>> Director Western Colleges Consortium
> >>> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >>> www.westerncc.ac.uk
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >>> Behalf Of Zoe Toft
> >>> Sent: 06 May 2003 22:13
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Re: Creating IMS compliant material
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> Could someone please explain what IMS compliance is for me, a newby.
> >>> Thanks! Zoe
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: James Clay <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 19:57:22 +0100
> >>> Subject: Re: Creating IMS compliant material
> >>>
> >>> If you go to http://www.macromedia.com/cfusion/exchange/
> >>>
> >>> Install the Extensions Manager for Dreamweaver and the following
> >>> extensions (under Learning) will prove useful
> >>>
> >>> Manifest Maker for ADL SCORM
> >>> SCORM Runtime Wrapper
> >>>
> >>> The Manifest Maker will create a correct IMS Manifest file.
> >>> The Wrapper will wrap
> >>>
> >>> These instructions are useful (and I have created an object using
these
> >>> tools)
> >>>
> >>> http://www.eduworks.com/LOTT/macromedia.htm
> >>>
> >>> I would also suggest installing the coursebuilder extension
> >>>
> >>> We are currently using e-Learning Objects, from TekniCAL, which allows
> >>> you to use Word to create IMS learning objects.
> >>>
> >>> http://www.teknical.com/Products/elearning_objects.htm
> >>>
> >>> These objects can be viewed in any IMS compliant system, such as
> >>> Microsoft LRN.
> >>>
> >>> James Clay
> >>> Director Western Colleges Consortium
> >>> e-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >>> www.westerncc.ac.uk
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >>> Behalf Of No Name
> >>> Sent: 06 May 2003 11:21
> >>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> Subject: Creating IMS compliant material
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello All
> >>>
> >>> has anyone created their own course in html for a VLE and then either
> >>> included / added / converted to include IMS compliance. If yes can you
> >>> recommend a book or something. I'm currently using Dreamweaver for the
> >>> HTML but am struggling with the way forward for IMS and SCORM.
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks
> >>>
> >>> Heather
> >>>
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> >> Danny McAtominey
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