Ray I advise you read some of the great work Jamie Peck and Adam Tickell did
while at Manchester University on the so called JSA effect. Within a few
years the claimant count had been reduced but its unclear as to where these
people went as in Manchester there had only been a handful of jobs created.
As for why I may have been "misled" over the quality of Nomis data I suggest
you read this article on radstats:
http://www.radstats.org.uk/no079/webster.htm
Its highly informative and very useful for people like me who have been
using this data and not questioning it. Just because the Nomis dataset is
the best available in Britain doesn't actually make it any good as there are
so few available especially at ward level.
> David Bishop
> Research Assistant
> Policy & Research
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> From: Ray Thomas[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 05 November 2003 11:46
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Unemployment figures
>
> David Bishop has been misled. The Nomis statistics for claimant
> unemployment are probably the highest quality dataset available in
> Britain.
> More reliable, for example, than the Census results (especially those for
> Manchester!) that are estimates based on extrapolation of survey results.
>
> The claimant unemployment statistics are a high quality dataset because
> they
> are based on tightly controlled administrative procedures and are produced
> on a 100% basis. The fact that payments are being made can be expected
> to
> increase reliability.
>
> The downside is that the statistics are subject to admininistrative and
> procedural cahnges. We don't generally know about the influence of
> changes
> in admin and procedures that effect the claimant unemployment series.
> Unfortunately the ONS do not give a high priority to maintaining
> comparability in administrative series.
>
> Snce 1997 the series has measured entitlement to Job Seekers Allowance.
> The introduction of JSA had dramatic effects on the statistics (and no
> doubt
> on many claimants) for a period. But it is unclear that JSA has had any
> long-term influence other than to reduce seasonal variation.
>
> Ray Thomas
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Bishop" <[log in to unmask]>
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> after
> > reading no the Rad Stats website about the dubious nature of figures
> from
> > Nomis I am wondering if there is anywhere else I can get data (but not
> ea
> > rates) at ward level. Any ideas?
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