I see your point, but if we use "disabled people" as a term denoting culture, would it not also be logical to use the term "Irish people" or "Asian-American people" to denote culture or, assuming that people of color have similarities and differences that may be suggestive of cultural differences, "colored people?"
In short, I think that there is a great degree of subjectivity and maybe even political correctness in these discussions. However, I agree with the need to examine carefully the language we use to denote others and I appreciate that aspect of this discussion.
TL
Timothy Lillie, PhD
Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
The University of Akron
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johnson Cheu [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 12:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Re person first language
>
>
> Timothy and all,
>
> Because if one were ascribing to the disabled/nondisabled
> distinction to
> mean identity/culture, then Disabled People is a term
> denoting culture;
> "colored" is not culture (whereas Irish-American, Asian-American,
> Arab-American, etc, etc, is) in this context; it's a) a skin
> pigmentation
> and b) a term, historically, used by whites to refer to
> Blacks (and then
> all non-whites) denoting both difference and domination. And
> yes, there are
> generational differences here in usage and I try to respect those if
> someone elderly uses "colored folk" because they have a
> different frame of
> reference.
>
> Johnson
>
> At 12:05 PM 12/5/2002 -0500, Lillie,Timothy H wrote:
> >I think we spend too much time over this issue. It may be
> that it is time
> >to move from "person with a disability" to some other
> formulation, and I
> >support calling people what they think of as respectful
> labeling. This
> >has resulted in, from a personal perspective, conscientously
> trying to
> >refer to some people as "Afro-Americans," because the people
> I knew used
> >that terminology, only, a few years later, to be instructed that
> >"Afro-American" is wrong and inappropriate and that everyone
> ought to know
> >that "African-American" is the only right, just and true
> >terminology. Well, all right: I shrugged my shoulders and
> started using
> >"African-American," as a means of demonstrating respect. If
> I had been
> >instructed to use the term "colored people," I would have
> done that, for
> >the same reason. And why is it we must say "people of
> color," but can't
> >say "colored people?"
> >
> >Is there an analogy here with: "people with disabilities"
> and "disabled
> >people?"
> >
> >
> >
> >Timothy Lillie, PhD
> >Dept. of Curricular & Instructional Studies
> >The University of Akron
> >Akron OH 44325-4205
> >330-972-6746 (Voice)
> >330-972-5209 (Fax)
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: homan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 9:20 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Re person first language
> > >
> > >
> > > Doesn't exactly slip of the tongue readily. People will
> > > automatically look
> > > for simple expressions for convenience or out of laziness, so
> > > it is in our
> > > interest to keep that in mind when we try to straighten
> > > things up. For the
> > > same reason that I am still a Dutchman, and not 'a person from the
> > > Netherlands''. Why should I be offended? To quote the bard:
> > > 'A rose by any
> > > name..."
> > >
> > > rgds John
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Katy Bailey <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:23 AM
> > > Subject: Re person first language
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear All
> > > > On the subject of 'people first language', what do
> people think of -
> > > >
> > > > 'People who are disabled'
> > > >
> > > > This strikes me as a good compromise, emphasising our
> > > people-ness without
> > > > losing the (liberating) recognition of the social location
> > > of disability.
> > > >
> > > > Katy Bailey
> > > >
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