David (and everyone else),
My interpretation of Mairian's ?'s regarding lurking, was not I think a
question of sitting and listening, which everyone does to varying degrees
during listserv discussions; rather I think she was asking about people who
join with the sole purpose of finding out what we Disabled People think
without ever contributing their own 2 cents into a discussion, making their
presence known, and then using this material as "research". Emancipatory
research includes giving the subject (us) a voice in the process I think,
at some level; something a lurker who never participates and then writes
"findings" doesn't do. And, as I've said before, I do have a problem with
that kind of lurking. But that's my interpretation, someone will correct me
if I'm misreading meaning here. Case in point: once or twice that I know
of, cuz it got back to me, my posts to a particular listserv about medical
something or other got posted to other listservs and spurned whole new
discussions there. And while that, yes, is complimentary in its own way I
suppose, it irritated me because 1) it was taken out of context of the
discussion it happened in, i.e. "clipped"; would the posters on that other
list even have an accurate sense of what I was talking about? 2) People
were talking about me (and I was even referred to, if I remember correctly,
not by name, but as "that disabled guy") and not to me, i.e. my "voice"
was, in effect, co-opted. While, yes, people can say all kinds of things
about me behind my back (and likely do) and I'd never know about it, in
this situation, it would have been fairly easy and courteous to write me
(because my post was clipped by someone on the original list) and ask me to
participate on the other list or some such remedy. But they weren't
interested in really "hearing my voice" as it were, simply twisting it to
their own purposes. Non-participatory objectification.
How is this different from somebody using my words in a classroom or for
research generally?
1) If they are using an article, essay, poem, whatever, well most people
usually use the whole thing, discuss the piece as a whole, put it in
context, rather than just clipping a sentence of speech.
2) If it's published, that means someone's paid to use it (usually).
Johnson
At 04:54 PM 10/24/2002 -1000, David Pfeiffer wrote:
>Well, I guess I always end up in the minority, but I never think of my
>email messages as all that important and I do not intend any of them to be
>copyrighted. I do send important ones with bibliographic information, but
>those citations can not be copyrighted. I never send one which I am not
>willing for the whole world to read - oh, if only the whole world would
>read them! No discussion list is private. On this list some 600 people
>read each message (is that the right number?) and they can do anything
>with them they please - even include them in a publication for sale for a
>price way beyond cost. It is nice if someone quotes me and first asks for
>permission, but that permission is not required. Why would people think
>that their messages on something like a listserve could be private?
>
>David
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