All: While Larry and I seem to differ slightly on our notions of
public/private originally, (I was thinking of the list as "public" being
read by 700 people v. private email I write to one person, whereas Larry
was thinking of the List (I think) as a self-contained "private" discourse
community), I have to say now that I agree with his logic here if you view
the list as he does.
I do think one has to be careful; I wrote an email post on 9//11 and gave
people permission on that list to use it in classes etc., because I didn't
feel like responding to 20+ emails asking permission. I was however
contacted by a disability mag (whose editor "lurks") to see if I would mind
if they printed it in the on-line version of their zine. I told them they
could (and sold them rights) Well, that email has been subsequently picked
up in at least 6 on-line zines that I know of w/o my ever being
contacted. Perhaps I asked for it by giving carte blanche to the list, but
that was certainly not my intention. I haven't gone after anyone re: this
because there are only so many hours in a day (and for me, it's more
important to take to task those who steal a scholarly article or a poem),
but I could.
The first time I had anything stolen where I went after someone, the line
they (lawyers on their board) fed me was "everything on the web free
because it was in the public domain!!" I had to disabuse them of that line
of thought. I finally told them that if they walked into a museum that was
open to the public and decided they liked a painting or sculpture, they
couldn't just take it home and hang it on their wall; they had to buy it,
or go to the gift shop and buy a reprint. Needless to say, I got my way.
Johnson
At 08:23 PM 10/24/2002 +0100, Larry Arnold wrote:
>Yes in what I am posting I am mindful of that having happened, I found
>myself arguing at a conference with a well known pyscologist who just
>happened to refer to that particular study and set him right about the
>consternation it had caused.
>
>Fair use is fair use, and I suppose from a technical point of view it is
>fair to quote an email in the reply as this is standard practice, it is also
>acceptable to archive it on a list serv, but for people to plunder that
>archive for field study is not acceptable, indeed I am not sure any of what
>Levi Strauss did was really ethically acceptable in todays climate.
>
>Most lists have a policy of keeping what is said on list within the list,
>and that policy extends to asking a posters permission before reposting
>something of interest to another list.
>
>There are unfortunatly many internet "rogues" about, who because they can do
>such a thing and it is easy to do such a thing, will plunder peoples posts
>and web sites.
>
>It is simply unethical to do so when it is so easy to ask first. Normally I
>never object if I am asked, but I have found an example of someone elses
>paper, which I put on a site with full permission, copied elsewhere and all
>links to my site removed. I know who did it, and I also know that they did
>such a bad job they left plenty of code in the html which identified me as
>the originator of page which was "stolen"
>
>This was great discourtesy as the perpetrator of this theft would lose
>nothing from leaving the links to my page in, and could probably have easily
>secured the permission of the original author of the paper to put it on
>there sight had xe wished.
>
>Larry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Judy Evans
> > Sent: 24 October 2002 19:49
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: Internet research
> >
> >
> > It is my opinion that as Larry said, our e-mails belong to us legally;
> > are intellectual property.
> >
> > There was a case like this on another List; the same point of view was
> > put there: I hope the person who asked respects the position as put
> > and our views.
> >
> > Finally a US academic did quote e-mails from a List of which we are
> > both members; she was attacked for it strongly, publicly. Quite
> > rightly, too
> >
> >
> >
>
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