medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Marjorie Greene <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
[http://www.art-roman.net/stsavin17x.jpg ]
>> Are you sure that this is God and Abraham?
>That is the way the figure is identified on the website.
[http://www.art-roman.net/stsavin2.htm ]
>BTW it's a very good one for Romanesque art: www.art-roman.net.
yes, it is, and it has some of the best, clearest .jpgs i've seen anywhere on
the web (the new ones from Conques are quite spectacular, catching the
subtilty of the surviving polychromy).
however, i wouldn't necessarily trust it for detailed iconographic
identifications.
take a quick look at Otto Demus, _Romanesque Mural Painting_, 1970.
he should have the whole of that long nave vault laid out and i.d.ed, though
there may be something new in the literature since 1968.
>It's actually quite common for God the Father to be depicted in this fashion
[cruciform haloed]. ....I know Chartres is later than the paintings at
Saint-Savin, but if you think of "Adam in the Mind of God" or "The Creation of
Adam [my personal favorite]," God looks more like Jesus than like the God of
the Creation story.
on the outer most archivolts of the *porch* of the North transept portals.
two busts, one in front of the other, a young, beardless, cruciform-haloed
Fellow behind and a younger, beardless non-haloed Adam in front.
unusual iconography, perhaps unique to Chartres, at least among surviving
examples.
>(I'm holding my breath waiting for someone to tell me that these two images
sprang from the chisel of Viollet-le-Duc. I'll die.)
no, they're original all right.
the Violet Duck never laid a palsied chisel on the place, best of my
knowledge.
virtually all of the outside sculpture @ Chartres is original --the only
exception i can think of is the outermost, foliate archivolts/rain moldings of
the three portals of the Royal Portal, which were replaced in the 19th c.,
after the remains of the originals, which are in the crypt, i believe.
and perhaps a few of the acanthus moldings above the capital frieze in a few
places, where they had worn away and were no longer protecting the figural
sculpture below from the flow of rainwater.
now, the Chartres glass, that's a different story.
>the Bible of Saint Bernard:
http://www.bm-troyes.fr/illustrations/bib-virtuelle/clairm/CLAIRMS00458_1_F0006R_1_D_L.gif
thanks for that.
a beautiful site.
best from here,
christopher
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