I feel sometimes that we are confusing the generic term 'eLearning' with
VLE/MLE. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I thought Smartgroups etc are all
part of the eLearning along with online resources and devices to retrieve
those resources.
Andreas
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From: "Sandy Britain" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: RBL & VLE
> ...I was going to say... before I got distracted and inadvertently pressed
'send' (apologies!), that the issue (raised here by steve) of whether a VLE
needs to have content and student tracking tools to be a VLE is
> one that keeps coming up.
>
> I think it is easy to get drawn into assuming a model of the teaching and
learning process in which a vle needs to have these tools, simply because
that is the current prevailing model. There are many ways of
> 'tracking' students' engagement in the learning process in a vle that
don't rely on inspecting the number of pages of content they have looked at,
when, or for how long. Yes indeed, this is information about a
> student's activity, but it is relatively poor quality
> information compared to reading their discussion contributions, or if they
are conspicuously not making any contribution, sending them a message to ask
if they are alright. Both of these you can adequately do with
> smartgroups or many other tools which can be used support the teaching and
learning process.
>
> There is much more to say on this but I have to go home now so I shall
return to it tomorrow.
>
> sandy britain
>
>
>
> Steve Molyneux wrote:
>
> > Hate to say this but SMARTGROUPS falls a long way outside of what I
would call a VLE. While it has many of the components there is not content
tracking, no assessment, no true tutor support... the list goes on.
> >
> > It is an excellent "tool" as are many on the web but it is almost like
saying that Notepad is a word processor.
> >
> > It would certainly help if a definition of what is meant by VLE in the
context of this group was produced.
> >
> > I think this is why many of the Stats from the sector on colleges with
"home grown" VLEs is suspect. How can you say what you have when it is NOT
clearly defined.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Trethewey [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 08 May 2002 14:14
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: RBL & VLE
> >
> > "in other words with a VLE you can move to a more managed learning
> > environment (reducing administrative burden on staff) more easily than
> > you can with "free" web tools."
> >
> > Yes this ought be true but bringing together all the college admin tools
> > under an MLE umbrella has surely got to be a long way off - both
technically
> > and organisationally - so we're stuck with interesting experiments in
VLE
> > and no fully operational MLE?
> >
> > The most successful use of VLE I know of is the use of the free "VLE"
> > smartgroups on the web. Students are "voluntary" members of a group
> > containing a wealth of resources, email and discussion that they can
access
> > at home or at work.
> >
> > Cost = £0 + a lot of enthusiasm.
> >
> > I don't suppose the model will scale up for college wide use but staff
are
> > learning a lot of transferable skills that will be useful in any
VLE/MLE.
> >
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