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> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:00:01 +0100
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> Subject: FILM-PHILOSOPHY Digest - 28 Jun 2002 to 29 Jun 2002 (#2002-35)
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> There are 4 messages totalling 140 lines in this issue.
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> Topics of the day:
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> 1. Hell (3)
> 2. Deep within Hell
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> Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:15:18 -0700
> From:    Robert Koehler <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hell
>
> Eric wrote, in response to the very concerned Pepe:
>
> NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> you are in film philosophy HELL for all eternity
>
> Once again, Eric, you are genius. The Perfect Response. (Although, some
> days, I wonder if we aren't in some kind of hell on this list...)
>
> And speaking of hellish, I'll get back to your comments about Bergman's fax,
> Ross, later, after I finish my current Hell of deadlines....
>
> Robert Koehler
>
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> Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 2002 14:47:59 EDT
> From:    Eric Willstaedt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hell
>
> In a message dated 6/28/2002 2:19:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> << Eric (the Voice from ABOVE wrote, in response to the very concerned Pepe:
>
> NO NO NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> you are in film philosophy HELL for all eternity
>
>
> and kind and gentler Voice of Robert intoned:
>
> Once again, Eric, you are genius. The Perfect Response. (Although, some
> days, I wonder if we aren't in some kind of hell on this list...)
>
>
>
> It would be nice if I had something constructive to say, but alas Im just the
> list Clown....
>
> Speaking of Hell and the Hellish...
>
> what did you people think about _From Hell_?????
> Heather Graham was no Ho in this one....
>
>>>
>
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> Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:54:56 -0600
> From:    Clark Goble <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Hell
>
> ___ Eric ___
> | what did you people think about _From Hell_?
> ___
>
> It was stylish, but lacked any real overarching point.  So there never felt
> like there was some urgency or the like.  It tried playing up the Masonic
> stuff but in the end it was just a nut-case who happened to be a mason.  So
> at the end I felt a "so-what?"
>
> Further the same basic plot had been done before in the 1970's in a Sherlock
> Holmes film.  (I forget the name of the film)
>
> One thing interesting I noticed is that they made sure the while Heather
> Graham played a prostitute she was never shown as a prostitute.  Instead she
> is basically portrayed as an innocent "virgin."  I assume they did this
> because merely saying she's a prostitute means it never really clicks with
> us.  If we were to see her doing the same things the other prostitutes do
> we'd immediately lose the sympathy for her.  (Or so the film makers assume)
> So it descends quickly into the old Hollywood stereotype of the prostitute
> with the heart of gold who isn't *really* a prostitute.  (In the sense of
> connecting her with those acts)
>
>
> -- Clark Goble --- [log in to unmask] -----------------------------
>
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> Date:    Fri, 28 Jun 2002 16:05:12 EDT
> From:    Eric Willstaedt <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Deep within Hell
>
> In a message dated 6/28/2002 2:58:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [log in to unmask] writes:
>
> << One thing interesting I noticed is that they made sure the while Heather
> Graham played a prostitute she was never shown as a prostitute.
>
> um...  Heather was an Unfortunate, not even a whore/prostitute....  ooops Ho
>
>
> Instead she
> is basically portrayed as an innocent "virgin."  I assume they did this
> because merely saying she's a prostitute means it never really clicks with
> us.
>
>
> This one point about the film ruined it for me as Glam Girl gets special
> treatment and can not even get into a messy characterization eventhough all
> around her, she has Ho colleagues...  Didnt anyone in the production NOTICE
> this....  at least they could have made her a bit dirtier, sure we may not
> recognize her until she performed unspeakable acts with customers in the
> alleyways, but then she didnt have trouble with this in _Boogie Nights_.
>
>
> If we were to see her doing the same things the other prostitutes do
> we'd immediately lose the sympathy for her.
>
> ooops I didnt realize I was to sympathize with her, she kept herself out of
> the film whenever possible....  I certainly wasnt drawn in....
>
>
>
> So it descends quickly into the old Hollywood stereotype of the prostitute
> with the heart of gold who isn't *really* a prostitute.
>
>
> sigh... how boring....  where is the philosophy behind all this goodness in
> Hos
> This isnt a 40's musical....  then again, maybe that would have been a better
> way to go with this movie....
>
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