Just to let you know I am anti-religious: May I add that the persistence of
religion I think is one of humanity's symptoms of atavism and we could do a
lot better without the lot of them - see Garner's Beyond Morality for
persuasive comments on how we could be a lot nicer to each other if we just
based our relationships on humanistic mutual concern.
-Tc
Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
Department of English
University of Houston-Downtown
One Main Street
Houston, TX 77002-0001
713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
"Question Reality"

> ----------
> From:         Chiaviello, Anthony[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent:         Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:44 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: Morocco education?
>
> I think you are exaggerating here, Richard, and going off the deep end of
> political correctness, too? Not to say making an invidious comparison with
> Naziism in order  to insult others on this list, namely me, I assume.
>         Again, see Bernard Lewis's book, which has been acclaimed. There
> are
> serious problems with education (a field I am in) in many countries that
> base their social organization exclusively on any religion - but only the
> exclusively Islamic seem to be the subject of discussion here, for obvious
> reasons.
>         I still don't see why "3rd world" and "Islamic world" are not
> useful
> descriptors - I see them all the time in the press - are  they just too
> politically incorrect?
> -Tc
> Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> Assistant Professor, Professional Writing
> Department of English
> University of Houston-Downtown
> One Main Street
> Houston, TX 77002-0001
> 713.221.8520 / 713.868.3979
> "Question Reality"
>
> > ----------
> > From:         Richard Haimann[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent:         Tuesday, February 26, 2002 11:55 AM
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: Morocco education?
> >
> > Well said!
> >
> > Hearing these gentlemen with Ph.D. after their name speak with
> > referenced authority in such culturalist categorizations saddens me
> > deeply.  I find it reminiscent of documentation of academics lecturing
> > on the necessity of social organization by race in Weimar and later Nazi
> > Germany.
> >
> > On a similar point, there are religious schools in the U.S. where
> > creationism is taught as doctrine and evolutionary theory is taught to
> > be false.  There are public schools in North Africa where World History
> > is taught in much more detail than in most U.S. universities' core
> > curricula.
> >
> > And apparently, if the opinions of these gentlemen presented in this
> > forum are finding their way to the classrooms of these gentlemen, we now
> > have public colleges in the U.S. teaching the doctrine of culturalism.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Richard.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Discussion forum for environmental ethics.
> > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Foster
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 9:15 AM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Morocco education?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chiaviello, Anthony <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: Morocco education?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Do you imagine they were educated in Morocco? From all I read the
> > > > Moslem world is seriously deficient in higher education,
> > > which is why
> > > > the youth find it necessary to come to the US - or Canada
> > > or England
> > > > or Germany - to attend college. Is this assertion of lack
> > > of adequate
> > > > education in the Moslem world, like exponential growth,
> > > just another
> > > > shibboleth? -Tc Anthony R. S. Chiaviello, Ph.D.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Muslem world includes 7 million US citizens (latest
> > > reports) who reside in the US. I think that indulging in
> > > 'overgeneralizations' leads to further confusion,
> > > stereotyping, and possible chicanery of sorts.
> > >
> > > For instance Islamic law demonstrates that young women are to
> > > be provided higher education by the parents paying for the
> > > education.  The rationale is simply that most young men have
> > > an easier time finding paying work than women. Therefore,
> > > parents are recommended to save funds for the daughters so
> > > that they can get a university education. The sons can easily
> > > earn money and fund their own education ...if they have too.
> > >
> > > Secondly, there are many other cultures and countries which
> > > lack access to education, and equal access to higher
> > > education, especiall in Africa. For instance the dominant
> > > culture in Apartheid South Africa is Christian, and white,
> > > but a minority. The subdominant culture is African, and a
> > > majority. You see a lot of various sects and religions having
> > > the same sort of problem that Tony thinks is the case with
> > > the "muslem world".
> > >
> > > The problem is no the "muslem world" nor the "christian
> > > world" or any generalizations that support a "world"
> > > hypothesis, but 'undemocratic governement' and other
> > > institutions. Religion is not the fault, nor is 'world', or
> > > geographic location at fault.
> > >
> > > In Canada for instance first nations or "status indians" are
> > > provided with funds to pay tuition and living costs while
> > > attending university. There are no "Qualifications" for full
> > > funding other than normal entrance requirements to enroll in
> > > university courses. There are no such government funds for
> > > "non-status" indians nor non-indians. This is democratic for
> > > the indians and the non-indians to correct a deficiency in
> > > the number of indians who teach, practice law, and other professions.
> > >
> > > Thirdly many students attend universities in NA or the UK for
> > > the simple reason of learning English which is the language
> > > of business. Here in British Columbia there are thousands of
> > > Japanese students here who decided to learn English and
> > > obtain a degree here. They will have the benefit of being
> > > able to use two languages in business and teach English in
> > > Japan. They pay much higher tuition than do the Canadian
> > > citizens and should pay more since they will not be paying
> > > taxes here over the course of their lifes (unless they get work here).
> > >
> > >
> > > chao
> > >
> > > john
> > >
> >
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