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Subject:

Re: FW: advice/ NEQAS Case 111

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Eric Kilpatrick <[log in to unmask]>

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Eric Kilpatrick <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:51:16 -0000

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Elliott Simpson said..

> Well I said to check he'd not developed any silly dietary habit (e.g. a
high
> egg intake).

There is little relationship between dietary cholesterol (for example, from
eggs) and blood cholesterol. However, there is a strong relationship between
dietary fat (especially saturated) and serum lipids.

See:
Normal plasma cholesterol in an 88-year-old man who eats 25 eggs a day.
Mechanisms of adaptation. Kern F. N Engl J Med 1991; 324:896-899, Mar 28,
1991

for an extreme example. The paper did not mention if the chap lived alone!

Eric
Dr. Eric S. Kilpatrick
Consultant in Chemical Pathology
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----- Original Message -----
From: Simpson Elliott (MK) Top Grade Biochemist, Laboratory Directorate
<[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: FW: advice/ NEQAS Case 111


> Well I said to check he'd not developed any silly dietary habit (e.g. a
high
> egg intake).  If he isn't, leave him alone.  I believe that you not only
> need to reduce someone's cholesterol, but that you have to maintain it at
> the lower level for three years before any statistical benefit is
obtained.
> So I said that an 80 year old can have any cholesterol level he likes,
after
> all it was Christmas.
>
> It will not surprise readers to know (a) that I got a negative mark and
(b)
> I'll not be staying in the scheme after they start charging for it!
>
> Elliott Simpson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr Howard Worth, Clinical Chemistry @KMC
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 31 January 2002 08:27
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: advice/ NEQAS Case 111
>
>
> Following Chris Lovell Smith's comments, I wonder about the efficacy of a
> major investigation (and treatment) of an 80 your old with no previous
> history of lipidemia.   This point of view did not attract the sympathy of

> the assessors!
>
> Howard Worth
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris Lovell-Smith [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 31 January 2002 01:43
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      FW:      advice/ NEQAS Case 111
> >
> > Hi, I also wonder about the [highly scoring] suggestion that an
> > 80-year-old man might be presenting with FH, presumably for the first
> > time? I thought it very unlikely, and would be pleased to get some
> > references to clarify my thinking. Thanks
> > Dr Chris Lovell-Smith
> > Chemical Pathologist and Clinical Leader
> > Healthlab Otago, Dunedin Hospital
> > DUNEDIN, NZ
> > 64 3 474 7925
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Patel Bharat [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Thursday, 31 January 2002 03:43
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: advice
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > What do others think about biochemist(non medical) advising on drug
> > treatment?
> >
> > This comes from the last  ACB case about hyperlipidaemia and advising
> > about
> > statin Rx.
> >
> > Bharat
> >
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