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Clear proof for it is contemporary with Trent, mid-15thc. However it has been argued that some 13th-15th-century Carthusian manuscripts contain the full formula. The article making this case was written for a Marian conference in the early 1900s and is not well known; it was cited by Yves Gourdel in an article he did on Carthusian Marian devotion in the 1950s. I have not seen the manuscripts both authors refer to.
The second part appears in printed Carthusian breviaries of the 2nd third of the 16thc. I can supply details later. I would be glad to hear from other list members regarding other 16thc evidence for the formula, as I am currently working ont he Carthusians and Mariand evotion, including the development of the Rosary.
Dennis Martin
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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
Help - this is something I am sure I (a) ought to know and (b) ought to
look up for myself - but we just don't have the sources here. Does anyone
know, off the top of your learned heads, when the final petition of the Ave
Maria - 'pray for us sinners now and in the hour of our deaths' - was
introduced? I used it as part of the explanation for the depiction of the
BVM on medieval tombs but Salvador Ryan suggests it's later and possibly
even post-Tridentine. If no-one knows just like that, I'll have to try to
get to a library with a wider range of medieval sources.
Maddy
Dr Madeleine Gray, in the foothills of God's golden county of Gwent
(Department of Humanities and Science
UWCN Caerleon Campus
PO Box 179
Newport NP18 3YG
Tel: +44 (0)1633.432675
http://humanities.newport.ac.uk/history.html)
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