One religious point for Ali. Hafiz and Omar Khayyam both enjoyed
alcohol. Were they not devout MUslims? Or did that proscription
come general later.
Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask]
Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Douglas Clark wrote:
> My Hafiz is also 'The Gift'. When I ordered it from Amazon I
> checked out on all the Hafiz available there and it seemed
> the sensible book to get. I really enjoyed reading it and
> have just dug it out. Perhaps Ali could talk about Ladinsky's
> translation and make more recommendations. (I no longer have
> access to Amazon).
>
> One side-note is that I feel Rumi is very much over-hyped, except
> in Andrew Harvey's 'versions'. Other opinions welcome. I feel
> the myth has outshone the poetry.
>
> And currently I am re-reading Karem Armstrongs 'The Battle for God:
> Fundamentalism in Christianity, JUdaism and Islam'. It is an absolutly
> brilliant book probably superior to A.N.Wilson's 'God's Funeral'
> which is also a must read.
>
> And finally I am going to have to go to the bookshop to track down
> the religious beliefs of the Bushmen and the Australian Aborigines
> to complete my education. (Karen Armstrong's 'The History of God'
> fills in the later gap). I have looked at my volumes of Cavalli-Sforza
> and Laurens van der POst without finding any concrete information,
> and I dont trust Bruce Chatwin. Something to keep my inquisitive
> brain alive for the future.
>
>
>
> Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask]
> Lynx: Poetry from Bath .......... http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html
>
> On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Frank Parker wrote:
>
> > Ali and Douglas,
> >
> > Why not speak of Hafiz now? Now is the time to invoke those poets whose
> > work/lives are a compass in a drudge of days. The copy of Hafiz I have
> > is called THE GIFT, translations by Daniel Ladinsky. Can either of you
> > recommend further reading?
> >
> > THE GIFT, how appropriate. Across the centuries, out of the rubble of
> > history, among the outrages bloodied stones once called homes a Call for
> > any with ears to hear, THE GIFT.
> >
> > > Everyone born into the world has a role in destruction
> > > But within the ruins you must say; Where is the sober?
> > Hafiz, tr. Ali Alizadeh
> > Thank you, Ali!
> >
> > :fp
> > ***************
> > Frank Parker
> > [log in to unmask]
> > http://now.at/frankshome
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ALI ALIZADEH" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 11:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: WTC
> >
> >
> > > Now I get what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying your point - and
> > as one of
> > > Hafiz's followers I don't wish to dwell on this point any more than
> > you do; his name
> > > is too sacred to be associated with this modern and morbid situation.
> > However, a
> > > couplet from one of Hafiz's ghasels (in my on-the-spot and dorky
> > translation) may be
> > > relevant to the current situation, as the madness of revenge prepares
> > to match the
> > > horrors of terrorism:
> > >
> > > Everyone born into the world has a role in destruction
> > > But within the ruins you must say; Where is the sober?
> > >
> > > or something to that effect.
> > >
> > > peace
> > >
> > > Ali
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---- Original Message ----
> > > From: Douglas Clark
> > > Date: Thu 9/13/01 15:20
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: WTC
> > >
> > > I dont really want to talk about but Hafiz represents a Persian
> > > love of life in contrast to the fundamentalists reaction to US policy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Douglas Clark, Bath, England mailto: [log in to unmask]
> > > Lynx: Poetry from Bath ..........
> > http://www.bath.ac.uk/~exxdgdc/lynx.html
> > >
> > > On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, ALI ALIZADEH wrote:
> > >
> > > > At any rate, I still have no idea why you've dragged Hafiz into this
> > horror. What
> > > on
> > > > earth does he have to do with fundementalism?
> > > >
> > > > Ali
> > > >
> > > > ---- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Douglas Clark
> > > > Date: Thu 9/13/01 2:12
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: WTC
> > > >
> > > > I thought I had said Hafiz was an example of civilisation.
> > > > But 'rational thinking' I said.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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