Robin:

ELEMENOPE Productions can do this:
>
>> ISBN [where DO you get these?], etc.)


However, if this is a magazine you don't employ ISBN, but instead the
ISSN. Unless I'm wrong. When Publisher Bircumshaw decides to do an
anthology of ALL his accomplished editions in a perfectly bound
volume, then an ISBN will be used. Right? But if you need an ISBN,
I've got one.

>without re-screwing-up the pagination.


If you are using _Quark_, the *industry standard*, you get
-pagination-, as much as you want in any order you want. (Not that
my diacriticality is * I.S. *. ).
It takes some familiarity.

I don't want to jump in there and claim I know as much as you. I
don't. I know what I know and that's about it.

Obviously, you'll make it.

Richard










>Josie:
>
>Just so that we don't get at cross-purposes, I'm talking cottage-industry
>here.
>
>> > Barely -- just done a google-search for images of Sappho and Anacreon to
>get
>> > pretty pictures for the cover -- admittedly, I didn't cost-in a
>wrap-around
>> > 160 gm cover, printed by ink-jet (colour) -- that would add at the most
>> > another 10p.
>> >
>> An offer for future reference. On PA I have access to 140
>> printmakers, mostly professionals, some of whom have already
>> done book illustrations. If at any time you, or anyone else
>> on this lust, require some illustrative work please consider
>> a collaborative effort with one of them. I am happy to post
>> any image requests to PA and I'm sure that many would jump
>> at the chance to collaborate. At the moment we are
>> undertaking a project themed 'illustration' where the
>> particpants are responding to a fragment of text of their
>> choice and making an edition of prints to exchange. We are
>> also setting up an exchnage based on digital printmaking
>> which is another story
>
>Point. As well, the images I pulled from the Net are prolly copyright (your
>accountant would know) -- but I was doing quick-and-dirty on this.
>
>And yes, it +costs+ to get properly trained in design and layout. But I DO
>rather object to paying through the nose (paying whom?) when I can (in even
>my own amateurish fashion) Do Better Myself.
>
>> Was that 40p to me? Promise not to spend it all at once ...
>
>FINALLY got the damn thing paginated properly -- now all I have to do is
>work out how to shift all the pages three pages forward (and allow me to
>have a title/acknowledgements pages, ISBN [where DO you get these?], etc.)
>without re-screwing-up the pagination.
>
>40p plus postage (Australia is a bit away from here).
>
>> All that was off the top of my head, in practice, 'real'
>> cost accounting gets much much more complicated. I was
>> merely pointing out some of the factors that tend to get
>> overlooked when people gasp at the price of things. What I
>> did leave out is the environmental and social costings but
>> that's also another story.
>
>See above. I'm not arguing your Real-World Costings (add in, e.g., business
>rates on running a print-shop) -- but when laser-printers dropped below £200
>to produce an identical end-product, the ball-game changed.
>
>> > I had one of those chain-phone-calls on this. The Demon Princess said,
>> > "Daddy, you're an idiot -- they paid mum £100 for the cover of _The
>Coffee
>> > House_." Not that long after, my ex-wife was on the phone ["Do you know
> > > where our daughter is at the moment?"] and I said, inter alia, DID they
>pay
> > > you £100 for the cover of _The Coffee House_?" and she said, "Are you
> > > joking? Zilch."
>>
>> Yes, well, I can relate to this. Artists have all the same
>> problems that writers have it would seem,
>
>You want to suffer, try writing an opera libretto. My hair stood on end
>when i discovered that one of your compatriots (You Know Who I Mean) was
>flogging off an opera she wrote (and I wrote the libretto for) for seventy
>five frigging aussie dollars. Really do wish i hadn't lost the contract
>that guaranteed me 7.5% of the royalties ...
>
>> with the added
>> factor of material costs. Most of the time they dont break
>> even on materials and are expected to be grateful for an
>> opportunity to get their work seen - but I'm not telling you
>> anything you didn't already know, am I? [funnily enough -
>> mine own daughter gets occasionally called demon-spawn, are
>> they related?]
>
>Almost certainly -- does your daughter knit?
>
>> > Well, if you're so clever, _you_ print dave's b*gg*r*d to b*ts*y Chide
>1.
>>
>> Not _that_ kind of printmaker *chuckle* How much is he
>> payin?
>
>Paying? You're joking. I got lumbered for Chide as I have (for my sins) a
>laser printer and dave has an inkjet. Cost of consumables, and in an insane
>fit, I said, "I'll do it." But you could try him for a (free)
>cover-illustration.
>
>Cheers
>
>Robin


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