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Robin: ELEMENOPE Productions can do this: > >> ISBN [where DO you get these?], etc.) However, if this is a magazine you don't employ ISBN, but instead the ISSN. Unless I'm wrong. When Publisher Bircumshaw decides to do an anthology of ALL his accomplished editions in a perfectly bound volume, then an ISBN will be used. Right? But if you need an ISBN, I've got one. >without re-screwing-up the pagination. If you are using _Quark_, the *industry standard*, you get -pagination-, as much as you want in any order you want. (Not that my diacriticality is * I.S. *. ). It takes some familiarity. I don't want to jump in there and claim I know as much as you. I don't. I know what I know and that's about it. Obviously, you'll make it. Richard >Josie: > >Just so that we don't get at cross-purposes, I'm talking cottage-industry >here. > >> > Barely -- just done a google-search for images of Sappho and Anacreon to >get >> > pretty pictures for the cover -- admittedly, I didn't cost-in a >wrap-around >> > 160 gm cover, printed by ink-jet (colour) -- that would add at the most >> > another 10p. >> > >> An offer for future reference. On PA I have access to 140 >> printmakers, mostly professionals, some of whom have already >> done book illustrations. If at any time you, or anyone else >> on this lust, require some illustrative work please consider >> a collaborative effort with one of them. I am happy to post >> any image requests to PA and I'm sure that many would jump >> at the chance to collaborate. At the moment we are >> undertaking a project themed 'illustration' where the >> particpants are responding to a fragment of text of their >> choice and making an edition of prints to exchange. We are >> also setting up an exchnage based on digital printmaking >> which is another story > >Point. As well, the images I pulled from the Net are prolly copyright (your >accountant would know) -- but I was doing quick-and-dirty on this. > >And yes, it +costs+ to get properly trained in design and layout. But I DO >rather object to paying through the nose (paying whom?) when I can (in even >my own amateurish fashion) Do Better Myself. > >> Was that 40p to me? Promise not to spend it all at once ... > >FINALLY got the damn thing paginated properly -- now all I have to do is >work out how to shift all the pages three pages forward (and allow me to >have a title/acknowledgements pages, ISBN [where DO you get these?], etc.) >without re-screwing-up the pagination. > >40p plus postage (Australia is a bit away from here). > >> All that was off the top of my head, in practice, 'real' >> cost accounting gets much much more complicated. I was >> merely pointing out some of the factors that tend to get >> overlooked when people gasp at the price of things. What I >> did leave out is the environmental and social costings but >> that's also another story. > >See above. I'm not arguing your Real-World Costings (add in, e.g., business >rates on running a print-shop) -- but when laser-printers dropped below £200 >to produce an identical end-product, the ball-game changed. > >> > I had one of those chain-phone-calls on this. The Demon Princess said, >> > "Daddy, you're an idiot -- they paid mum £100 for the cover of _The >Coffee >> > House_." Not that long after, my ex-wife was on the phone ["Do you know > > > where our daughter is at the moment?"] and I said, inter alia, DID they >pay > > > you £100 for the cover of _The Coffee House_?" and she said, "Are you > > > joking? Zilch." >> >> Yes, well, I can relate to this. Artists have all the same >> problems that writers have it would seem, > >You want to suffer, try writing an opera libretto. My hair stood on end >when i discovered that one of your compatriots (You Know Who I Mean) was >flogging off an opera she wrote (and I wrote the libretto for) for seventy >five frigging aussie dollars. Really do wish i hadn't lost the contract >that guaranteed me 7.5% of the royalties ... > >> with the added >> factor of material costs. Most of the time they dont break >> even on materials and are expected to be grateful for an >> opportunity to get their work seen - but I'm not telling you >> anything you didn't already know, am I? [funnily enough - >> mine own daughter gets occasionally called demon-spawn, are >> they related?] > >Almost certainly -- does your daughter knit? > >> > Well, if you're so clever, _you_ print dave's b*gg*r*d to b*ts*y Chide >1. >> >> Not _that_ kind of printmaker *chuckle* How much is he >> payin? > >Paying? You're joking. I got lumbered for Chide as I have (for my sins) a >laser printer and dave has an inkjet. Cost of consumables, and in an insane >fit, I said, "I'll do it." But you could try him for a (free) >cover-illustration. > >Cheers > >Robin --