Thank you, Erminia.
:fp

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----- Original Message -----
From: "erminia" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 4:20 AM
Subject: Re: 9/11/01


> When in Europe we had to get rid of Hitler and
> Mussolini, we had the Americans and the British coming
> in our aid and operating effectively towards the
> liberation and salvation of our oppressed nations. We
> had American and British soldiers entering our
> countries, helping the civilians and the partisans in
> the strenuous task of vanquishing the two criminal
> governments and their collaborators, responsible for
> the massacre of the Jews in Germany , the
> unprecedented persecution of the civilian Jews people,
> in Italy,  and the economic and civic destruction of
> cities, industries, monuments, etc.
>
> Kundera was right in his 'The unbearable lightness of
> the being', when he brought into play Nietzsche's idea
> of the eternal return, to prospect, in a dramatically
> pessimistic way, the possible recurrence of the evil
> among civilized people, of other Hitler-s, other
> Mussolini-s, other holocausts.
> The law under which the Nazi criminals were persecuted
> was not a barbaric one, since it implied a trial with
> evidence given and in some cases these Nazi officers
> ended by dying in their homes of natural causes,  but
> to free a country is another think, and in order to
> liberate  Italy and Germany the allies had also to
> intervene on the hosting country, entering the
> territories.
>
> Now it is America concretely  being attacked at its
> very core, and the attack, being a warfare attack as
> it was, did not respect the basic ethic rules of every
>  war,  which although wicked, still imply the
> application of international conventions to defend the
> civilians as much as possible. The fact that the USA
> is a super-power does not make it immune from the
> unfortunate possibility of being targeted. I am sure
> that in the States, nobody ever wished to deny the
> possibility that America, as any other country, could
> become the target of  warfare attacks, and not to be
> subjected to declaration of war, after the equilibrium
> created by  the cold war ceased to exist . But how one
> defends oneself when one finds its country attacked
> beyond any rational scheme?
>
> The problem of these two blocks of the world is too
> ancient and radical to be solved now, and it consists,
> I think, in  the division that occurred centuries ago,
> and which was created by the fact that out of the
> Middle Age obscurantism, in the West, in our Western
> countries, we had artists and thinkers, as well as
> illuminated politicians, who introduced the
> methodology and attitude of the DOUBT, of disbelief,
> of analytic thinking. The downcast bewilderment on the
> suffering faces of the American people  and witnesses
> originates just in that, in doubt, in this mentality
> of ours, reluctant to any rooted ideas of belonging,
> estranged by any factual thought of vengeance.  So, in
> the face of these emotions and because of this
> mentality, we no longer know which is the right way to
> react and even if we are told what it is the best, we
> still need endless talking and confrontation, like
> Hamlet. And with all the negativeness that this may
> cause to our daily and present lives,  I think this is
> ultimate a quality.
>
> How can we ever reconcile these opposite cultural
> blocks, where one had to face globally the
> consequences of "Enlightenment" and the other did not
> and probably never will?
> But enough with philosophical speculation, it is my
> belief that the entire situation is due, as in the
> case of Nazism, not to a mentality caused by religion
> alone, but to ethnic anger, economic hegemony. We are
> assisting to a manipulation and abuse of human lives
> which is so fanatical, appalling and unspeakable as to
> imply also the sacrifice of their own people and
> country, their own domestic victims.
>
> Eppi
>
> --- "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > Yes, yes and yes, Frederick.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Bircumshaw
> >
> > Leicester, England
> >
> > A Chide's Alphabet
> > www.chidesplay.8m.com
> >
> > Painting Without Numbers
> > www.paintstuff.20m.com/default.htm
> >
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/default.htm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Frederick Pollack" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:26 AM
> > Subject: 9/11/01
> >
> >
> > > It might be worth considering that multinational
> > capitalism, though
> > > considerably, is not exclusively American; it
> > involves Shell and Sony as
> > > well as IBM, Lloyds as well as Aetna, the Bourse
> > as well as Wall Street.
> > >
> > > It might be worth considering that the Arab
> > countries are governed by
> > > variously corrupt oligarchs who are more concerned
> > with their own wealth
> > > than the welfare of their people, and who in
> > time-honored fashion feed
> > > the latter on nationalism and scapegoats.
> > >
> > > It might be worth considering that amidst the
> > images of violent
> > > stupidity that Western popular culture offers the
> > Third World are images
> > > of free individuals, independent women, and
> > self-creating youth, which
> > > are intolerable to authoritarian fanatics.
> > >
> > > It might be worth considering that for Osama bin
> > Laden and his ilk
> > > Israel and the Palestinians are merely a pretext.
> > They see themselves
> > > as involved in a war of civilizations, sworn to
> > purge the Dar al-Islam
> > > from corrupt Western influences and to return it
> > to purity - which bin
> > > Laden has explicitly equated with the code of the
> > Taliban.
> > >
> > > Let me make it clear that I condemn all bigotry
> > and scapegoating - most
> > > immediately, that of Arab-Americans.  That I
> > oppose Sharon's
> > > provocations, and Israeli settlers seizing
> > Palestinian land.  But I also
> > > oppose maniacs blowing up themselves and 20 or 40
> > or 50 - or 5000 -
> > > innocent people.  America could take a stronger
> > position against the
> > > settlements.  But if there were genuine goodwill
> > and desire for peace on
> > > the part of Arab governments, instead of the
> > convenient scapegoating I
> > > mentioned, they would long since have worked out a
> > peace that would have
> > > satisfied and benefited all parties.
> > >
> > > Let me add two things.  One: I regard all
> > fundamentalism - whether that
> > > of bin Laden, the ayatollahs, Orthodox xenophobes,
> > or Jerry Falwell and
> > > Pat Robertson - as a sickness.  Two:  I oppose
> > George W. Bush and all
> > > his beliefs and policies.  Yet I have to agree
> > with him that the events
> > > of Tuesday are an attack on civilization itself.
> > >
>
>
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