This is interesting because of the Roman formula: do ut des (I give that you
may give).
I am separated from scholarly apparatus on this formula, so I can only point
out that the Romans were pretty straight forward about business with the gods
(to judge from appearances). (I am of course not suggesting that the ROMAN
Catholic church simply picked up the thread left by ancient ROMAN religion
sensibilities.)
Dan
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In the *Colloquies,* Erasmus satirizes the practice of
bargaining with saints. See "The Shipwreck."
Yours,
Rod McCaslin
--- Frank Morgret <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Good day to all!
>
> In The Stripping of the Altars, pp. 183ff,
> Duffy describes a
> process that might best be described as striking a
> bargain with a saint.
> In return for some benefit from a saint, the person
> venerating the saint
> would promise to perform a specific deed. (Duffy
> describes this trans-
> action as a "contract.")
>
> Martin Luther described such a transaction he made
> with St. Anne. (It's in
> the Table Talk somewhere, but I cannot find it right
> at the moment. The
> gist was, "Help me, St. Anne, and I shall become a
> monk," [if we accept
> the Table Talk as being reliable].)
>
> Was the practice Duffy describes common on the
> continent as well as in
> England? If so, where may I read more concerning it
> as practiced in late
> medieval Germany?
>
>
> As ever,
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> Frank Morgret
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