Thanks John, that clarifies my questions on previous mails and shows me
that i had understood about right.
MS
On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, John Foster wrote:
> At 09:31 PM 8/9/00 -0700, Steve wrote:
> >Thanks for the response John. I guess it is now safe to say that EVERY
> >SINGLE corporation that hires Burson Marstellar are wrong, bad, and guilty
> >of something. Who knows what, but hey they are corporations so they must
> >be guilty of something right?
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> I actually don't recalling if any one said exactly what you have said.
> Interesting. Because the information that I posted only said that Burson
> Marstellar worked for Augusto Pinochet (violent dictator), American Cyanamid
> (Bhopal), The BC Forest Alliance, the National Forest Association
> (Australia), and Exxon Valdez. There were no editorializing. Like you said
> BM works to improve a companies' reputation. I said their image and that is
> what the company claims: "we improve the perception of companies."
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> Then of course there was the 'grassroots organizations' like Ford Motor
> Company that are attempting to influence public opinion on air quality
> standards by funding BM to work out of Washington DC and operate like a
> 'grassroots' organization.
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> This is the single 'imperative proposition': that we ought to be concerned
> about the later issue because Burson Marstellars is attempting to subvert
> the role of democratic (prior, informed, and free) consensus by influencing
> public opinion on issues like ozone that cause scarring in the lungs of
> children.
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> If the consumer is sovereign, then what right does Ford Motor Company have
> in attempting to stop legislation that would improve children's lung
> development in areas of high ozone concentration? Does profit come before
> child's lungs?
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> Why is Burson Marstellars now doing PR for companies that do not have image
> problems, but will have image problems if they succeed in letting ozone
> concentrations get worse.
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> Mexico City has the worst ozone problems in the world apparently. Some
> cities in the US like Houston also have serious problems with ozone. The
> scarring of the child's lungs is permanent.
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> John Foster
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> Who cares why they hired the simple fact
> >that it is Burson Marstellar is sufficient.
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> >How ridiculous.
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> >--- John Foster <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> Comments Below:
> >>
> >> At 10:33 AM 8/9/00 -0700, Steve wrote:
> >> >
> >> >If company A hires BM and company A is trying to put up a good front
> >> for
> >> >something pretty crappy (say company A was doing some dumping).
> >> >
> >> >Now, company B hires BM and company B is getting slammed by irrational
> >> >zealots who are making false claims about company B's product (that is
> >> >company B's product *is* safe).
> >> >
> >> >So since guilt by association is okay now, company B is just as guilty
> >> as
> >> >company A. Guilty of what I don't have a fucking clue, but what the
> >> hell
> >> >they make money so screw 'em.
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> >> No you have not got it right yet. Buggle Boys of Company B will not
> >> have to
> >> hire Burson Mastellars because the public is not irrational. Only
> >> irrational
> >> companies like Exxon who hire drunken zots to captain their single
> >> hulled
> >> boats into harbour have to hire 'public perception' folks. Of course it
> >> did
> >> not help Exxon, they should have admitted wrong and apologized right
> >> away
> >> and cleaned up the spill.
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> >> You should ask this question of Chris Perley. If I was Maria Stella I
> >> would
> >> not even answer your email. Your expletives are going to be deleted! by
> >> her
> >> probably.
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> >> "You never know where fish will go."
> >>
> >> Molly Ivins
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> >> http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/ivins2.htm
> >>
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> >
> >=====
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> a 'Satan', but this man is as close to 'the real McCoy' as they come."
> >--Jamey Lee West
> >
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> "You never know where fish will go."
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> Molly Ivins
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> http://www.star-telegram.com/columnist/ivins2.htm
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