Does a LEARNED preference (due to past 'bad' experiences) for sex with
members of one's own gender make one homosexual ?? Although you obviously
have the right to label yourself a "lesbian", aren't you someone who has
learnt to shun heterosexual activity i.e. a heterosexual that exclusively
'indulges' in homosexual sex (for safety's sake) ??
This IS a question .... not a rhetorical comment from a penis carrier !
Terry S
-----Original Message-----
From: kathrine connolly <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 02 May 2000 23:56
Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>Gerald
>
>'I think you are away with the fairies' 'all women envy the penis ' maybe
>it is your story, but then you are a man and lets face it most men like to
>believe this myth, the same kind of man that gives their penis a name
>..........sorry but what did you expect. This is the kind of comment that
>would make any woman, that values her womanhood, want to bite the ankle (or
>even the testicles of the man that said this)...Pleassssse, women do not
>need to go waving there bits around and accusing the opposite sex of being
>jealous of a bodily part. This is not a valid argument or an intelligent
>statement, and I sincerely hope you are just a counsellor in training, and
>have not been let loose on the general public with such biased views, you
>know equal opps etc.
>
>As a single parent of three children, totally unsupported by a penis (cos
an
>awful lot of penis's have no scrupples) I have brought my children up,
>completed a degree in psychology, a diploma in psychodynamic counselling
>(yes) and am in the process of struggling with my doctorate...........I can
>assure you I do not envy a penis or even resent a penis .............I feel
>rather sad for the poor human beings that are attached to a penis, and
>worry about the apparently strange connection between the penis and the
>brain.
>
>I realise that these comments are exactly what this site is not about. and
>I apologise to the other members. I would just like to add that I find
your
>comments offensive and without validation. I am a feminist, or should I
say
>a person that believes all people should be equal.............but don't we
>all believe this and if we do not then we should. I think Shulamith
>Firestone has a valid point in that women will never be equal until the
>burden of child bearing is removed from women and it becomes an asexual
>process. then it can no longer be used as a guilt trip to control women.
>Because child-bearing and the concept of womanhood has been used as a
method
>of control since the ark.
>
>oh by the way I am now a lesbian, oh I did not start out as one, but after
>being beaten up on a regular basis by a thing attached to a penis. I
>decided to bat for the other team..........BUT I AM THE
>EXCEPTION.........most lesbians are with women because they love women
>..........not because they hate men. having said that of my three children
>two are boys, and I adore all of them. And I do not envy a penis, because
I
>am a very attractive woman (kate Bush look alike) . I think the thing
that
>is so frustrating about such an inane comment like yours is that I cannot
>argue about it in any depth, and the bottom line is that my comments are as
>shallow as yours ...........and after seven years of working with the
>Samaritans, victim support and working in a young offenders prison
(category
>'A' .....lifers ......male) I do not think I am a shallow person.
>
>apologises to the other members again
>
>KT
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 10:14 PM
>Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Helen <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM
>> Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>>
>>
>> > Gerald
>> >
>> > 'All women envy the Penis' - I resent this statement for a number of
>> > reasons. Firstly I wonder how many gay woman would agree with you?
Why
>> > would a woman envy something that deflates in later life, lets face it
>> you
>> > only get 2 years use out of a penis (maximum). Also all women are
>taught
>> > from a very early age that all men only think with their penis, recent
>> > statistics show that one in two women prefer chocolate to sex, long
live
>> the
>> > Cadburys flake! It does the same job but tastes a hundred times better.
>> > I really do not like lowering myself to this level, however, there was
>no
>> > need for your statement I feel it was totally uncalled for and was
petty
>> and
>> > pathetic and just like an insecure man to come out with.
>> >
>> > Hel.
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: G.F. Phillips <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:53 PM
>> > Subject: Re: ADD & ADHD
>> >
>> >
>> > > Dear Stephen
>> > > I swore, in an earlier message I said that I would not , under any
>> > > circumstances reply to anything bearing the the name ADHD. I am
>however
>> > > moved by your message.
>> > >
>> > > It is unfortunate that I should reply to you in a psychodynamic way.
>> I
>> > > totally support you in your statement. It feels unfortunate to me
>> that
>> > in
>> > > this politically correct society, that we should not be allowed to
>> suggest
>> > > the MOTHER as being important. She is , indeed, terribly importamt
>in
>> > the
>> > > upbringing of the infant. Without the Mother we should surely be
>lost.
>> I
>> > > consider feminists' to be without breast and without that which could
>be
>> > > described as WOMANHOOD. For the Femiinists amongst you, can reply,
>but
>> > > before you do please listen from a Feminist Friend; 'If my foetus is
>> male
>> > I
>> > > will kill it' After birth the BABY (BOY) was the love of her life
>> and
>> > is
>> > > now a Consultant Physician in a a major taeching hospital, in London.
>> His
>> > > mother is in constant contact and tells me that the milk is still in
>her
>> > > breasts. SOMEONE EXPLAIN IF YOU CAN?
>> > >
>> > > Due to the abuse in this group, I am not in the least interested in
>the
>> > > political views of the feminist movement, but only from WOMEN in the
>> true
>> > > sense of the word.
>> > >
>> > > Gerald
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ' All Women envy the Penis'
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Rennie, Steve [HES] <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>> > > Date: 02 May 2000 11:43
>> > > Subject: RE: ADD & ADHD
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > >Helen (and others in the ADHD thread), I have been a playworker
since
>> the
>> > > late 1960s, mostly on adventure playgrounds in the UK. In the last
>> > fifteen
>> > > years my direct work with children has tended to be more specialist.
>> Over
>> > > the years many children have come to me with labels, increasingly of
>> late
>> > > ADHD. I have never yet found a child labelled in that way who was
>unable
>> > to
>> > > relate to me constructively and attentively through their play. In a
>> short
>> > > series of experiments, I asked principal carers, who had expressed
>major
>> > > concerns about their relationships with their children, to engage
with
>> > them
>> > > in imaginal play. Every one reported considerable and sustained
>> > improvements
>> > > both in their relationships with the child and in the child's
>> > relationships
>> > > with others.
>> > > >
>> > > >My observations of children with their principal carers
>(overwhelmingly
>> > > their mothers) appear to indicate that most apparently anti-social
>> > > behaviours exhibited by the children are best explained as
>"dysplay",
>> > > distorted play cues arising from increasingly desperate attempts on
>the
>> > part
>> > > of the child to get playful interaction with the carer. A short
period
>> of
>> > > accurate response to play cues appears to diminish this "dysplay"
>> > > dramatically and in a sustained fashion.
>> > > >
>> > > >The major problem I have had in gaining acceptance of this
technique,
>> > would
>> > > appear to be its lack of seriousness. Engaging with a child in
>imaginal
>> > play
>> > > looks silly and adult participants often say that it feels silly at
>> first.
>> > > One mother of a four year old who had set fire to his nursery school
>and
>> > his
>> > > house said that it felt she was ignoring the problem when she just
>> played
>> > > cars (with noises) while lying on the carpet with him. However, she
>also
>> > > said that the end of that session, when he spontaneously cuddled her,
>> was
>> > > the first time that had happened since he had been a baby.
>> > > >
>> > > >If I had made the option of medication for the child available to
>that
>> > > mother at the outset, I am sure that she would have taken it. She
>would
>> > have
>> > > felt she was addressing a serious problem seriously.
>> > > >
>> > > >Stephen Rennie, Leeds Metropolitan University
>> > > >[log in to unmask]
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
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