This has been a most interesting discussion. I think in the age of
Facebook, college students are more aware of privacy issues than some may
be giving them credit for. I agree with the post immediately below that
it is good to get the thinking of students out in the open so that if they
stay on list they can learn about what they are thinking from discussion
of what they as a group have stated. But this discussion has gone far
beyond this and gotten into issues like the purposes of this discussion
group and how a list responds to a very different and perhaps
controversial use of its facility. I think that one might need to look
far and wide to find another such archived collection of thinking by
students of their knowledge and attitudes to disability, particularly
before and after gaining knowledge regarding disability from a brief
concentrated course about disability, and further yet to find such a
diverse and wide range of opinions about this discussion collection from
these students.
I just posted this bibliography on the web yesterday and some on this list
may find its content interesting or useful.
RECREATION THERAPY: PLAY THERAPY :
BIBLIOGRAPHY:
A Selective Bibliography of Books from Recent Decades
Regarding Play Therapy and Play Therapy Bibliographies
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32980>
Also of possible interest:
ELDERLY: AGING GERONTOLOGY GERIATRIC MENTAL HEALTH :
PSYCHOLOGY: SUICIDE:
Older Adults: Depression and Suicide Facts (Fact Sheet)
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32970>
THERAPEUTIC RECREATION :
MUSIC THERAPY :
BOOKS:
Music Therapy Publications: A Selection of Publications from Recent
Decades
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32855>
PHOTOGRAPHY AND PICTURES: RESOURCES :
WEBLIOGRAPHIES:
Online Photograph Resources Including Images and Pictures
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32652>
ART THERAPY :
BIBLIOGRAPHIES :
BOOKS:
A Selective Bibliography of Books About Art Therapy
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Net-Gold/message/32580>
I personally thank the professor who made this discussion possible as this
entire interchange has put issues on the table and provided a range of
thinking regarding them that could not and would not have, I suspect,
occured in any other way. I also think that students who did stay aboard
for this discussion have many more thoughts to think about beyond their
final thoughts and may have gained a whole new chapter to add to what they
learned in the course. I also want to thank all who make this list and
its vibrant discussions possible, this is indeed a very valuable
discussion group.
Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
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Nina Dillard's Photographs on Net-Gold
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Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds),
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Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books.
Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay
David P. Dillard
<http://tinyurl.com/p63whl>
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Health Diet Fitness Recreation Sports Tourism
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http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/health-recreation-sports-tourism.html
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2010, Derick Bird wrote:
> Very simply put is that one day I shall be sitting quietly in my wheelchair
> in some shopping mall minding my own business and along will come one of
> these students who will pat me on my head and put a toffee in my gob to be
> left wondering why I have kicked them in their goollies for their good
> intentions.
>
> Surely the only way to effect charge with regards to perceptions, social
> conditioning, prejudices and understanding is to challenge where criticism
> is not necessarily negative but seen as being constructive.
>
> I am racist - there - I have said it. I am racist because of my social
> conditioning as a kid which is firmly rooted in my subconscious. It is only
> by being consciously aware of my racialism that I am able to correct this so
> becoming aware of our prejudices to understand where it is coming from is it
> possible to effectively change attitudes. Negativity changes to positivity.
>
>
> As an elderly disabled gay man I often meet people who tell me that they are
> not all homophobic but their body language tells a very different story when
> attempting to discuss gay sexuality issues. This body language blocks any
> meaningful discussion especially if the person is in the caring profession
> where it becomes evident they have not addressed their subconscious
> prejudice.
>
> I therefore make no apologies if at least one student changes their
> interpretation of disability in using appropriate language/terminology to
> understand the rights and equality issues of the disabled. I am, after all,
> a recipient of the service provision they purport to offer.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny W
> Sent: 07 June 2010 17:25
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: class reflections
>
> I wanted to share my thoughts on the critical commentary towards the
> reflection papers. Accept my apologies for writing this in point form:
>
> 1) I agree with the concerns about posting very personal information on a
> public listserv.
>
> 2) For the most part, the students missed the boat on the social model.
> Let's crucify them rather than provide constructive feedback, especially
> since being critical of people who make mistakes is a proven method of
> changing behaviour.
>
> 3) For the most part, I thought the comments by the students were a step up
> from the perception of disabled people as sub-human, as better off dead,
> etc. No one ever said eliminating oppression would be easy.
>
> 4) As I understand it the course was 3 weeks long - which isn't a lot of
> time to cover the social model, let alone master it. I suspect no one on the
> listserv mastered the social model in 3 weeks. Let's stop kidding ourselves.
>
>
> 5) Language isn't the be all end all - and there are different terminologies
> employed by different disabled populations. For example, psychiatrically
> disabled people have multiple ways of self identifying and discussing their
> experiences, and some of us working within the same model take offense to
> another's concept (e.g., "disabled people" vs. "persons with disabilities").
> I continue to ocassionally see the word "handicapped" used, including in
> policy - the context says a lot about the meaning or intent behind a word.
>
> 6) "Suffering is an offensive term"; "disabled people don't suffer"; "an
> abled bodied person should not speak of a disabled person's 'suffering'".
>
> This is where I detach myself from the social model as I suffer most days of
> my life and frequently to the point of wanting to off myself. I suffer both
> from societal prejudice and from being robbed of many of the physical
> 'functions' of my (previous) body. Some of the critical commentary from the
> listserv towards the students' mention of "suffering" implies that disabled
> people's experiences are all the same - and that the only relevant part is
> the societal oppression, and that none of us suffer from our impairments,
> and that if we do, it shouldn't be discussed publically or that it's somehow
> a product of false consciousness to recognise our impairment-related
> suffering.
>
> I thought the students who spoke of suffering were acknowleging the way
> disabled people have collectively "suffered"...Again, a step above not
> acknowleging "our" history at all. This is similar to how society
> acknowleges "other" groups who have "suffered" from oppression,
> marginalisation, violence, bigotry, etc. For example, I recall one student
> speaking of "not being aware of what disabled people have gone though" (to
> paraphrase); also "the sad history" comment. The language may not have been
> appropriate here even if the intention was.
>
> 7) "This is a step backward".
>
> I've witnessed more 'offensive' behaviour in grad studies courses. I also
> don't think we should expect people to un-learn beliefs and ideas in 3 weeks
> that have been inculcated from a young age.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Jenny
>
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