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> yes it is the vastly different places similar concerns & materials can > lead to that is of interest here. I'd hate to resurrect the 'mainstream' debate, but Hill is a mainstream poet in the sense that he is published by Penguin (and as such, he is a welcome antidote to the New Generation types promoted by Faber/Bloodaxe et al), but Prynne is definitely not, judging by the difficulty I've had getting hold of his books. How is it that one became mainstream and the other didn't? AB %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%