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> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 1996 12:52:00 -0500 (EST) > From: "Brent E. Hardy" <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Feast of All Souls and Cluny > Reply-to: [log in to unmask] > Regarding the Feast of All Souls, > Dear Brent, Glaber wrote this passage in the mid 1040s. A slightly later hand made interpolations to the text which attached the story in altered form to Marmoutiers. My own guess was that the base story was a common one used by Glaber, Jotsald and the unknown interpolator to exhalt their houses. See my edition pp.lxxxvii and 234-5. John France > There is also a very interesting version of the story found Raoul > Glaber's _Historiarum libri quinque_. It compares in some respects to > Jotsald's, but differs in others. In Glaber's case, we hear of the > establishment of the special day by Odilo via the mouth of an African > hermit, who extols the "widely-renowned" monastery of Cluny for its > particular ability to liberate the souls of the dead through the prayer of > its monks. (Sorry, I don't have the exact reference in Glaber, but if > anyone wants it, I can retrieve it). It is hard to say whether Jotsald had > any knowledge of Glaber's story or not, or visa-versa, although it is > almost surely the case that Glaber's comes first. > > Brent H. > > Brent Hardy > Department of History > Emory University > Atlanta, GA 30033 > [log in to unmask] > > > On Sat, 2 Nov 1996, GP. Ferzoco wrote: > > > Carolyn Muessig has on a couple of occasions re-posted to the list some > > medieval-religion messages that have been particularly interesting, > > informative and appropriate to discussions at hand. In this case, I wish > > to follow this example by re-posting a message sent to the list last year at > > this time. > > > > Following the post I had made for the feasts of 2 November, Richard Landes > > asked the list whether anyone had information at hand regarding the feast > > of All Souls and Cluny. Isabelle Cochelin kindly provided the following > > reply, which can be consulted at our Web archives; the precise location of > > this message is: > > http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/lists/medieval-religion/1995-11/0017.html > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > > > On the subject of All Souls, > > > > The information is given in a Vita of Odilo and in the customaries. For > > instance, in the Vita by Pierre Damien (PL 144, col.936-37), you can read: > > Tunc venerabilis pater Odilo per omnia monasteria sua constituit generale > > decretum ut, sicut primo die mensis Novembris, juxta universalis Ecclesiae > > regulam, omnium Sanctorum solemnitas agitur, ita sequenti die in psalmis et > > eleemosynis et praecipue missarum solemniis omnium in Christo quiescentium > > memoria celebretur. > > > > The other Vita of the saint is by the monk Jotsaud (PL 142, col.897-14, > > plus 2 chapters edited by E. SACKUR in Neues Archiv, 15 (1890): 118-21) I > > re-read it quicklu and did not see any mention of the Feast. But I might > > have gone through it too quickly. You have a chapter of the Liber tramitis > > reserved to this subject: the fact that Odilo created the feast of all > > souls: ed. P. Dinter, Liber tramitis aevi Odilonis Abbatis, (Corpus > > consuetudinum monasticarum, X), 1980, 138,p.199. It is then mentioned again > > in the customaries by Ulrich (PL 149, I,xlii,col.688-89 with a reference to > > the Vita) and Bernard (ed. M. Herrgott, Cura disciplina monastica, 1726, > > II,xxxii,p.353-54). > > > > Doing my Ph-D on cluniac sources (customaries and Vitae) from 909 to 1156, > > I have everything photocopied at home, as we say in french "under the > > hand". So, if I can be of help to anyone... > > > > Isabelle Cochelin [log in to unmask] > > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > As it turns out, it has come to my attention that Isabelle recently > > defended her doctoral dissertation at the Universite' de Montre'al with > > great distinction, and is presently on a post-doctoral fellowship in > > Paris. Fe'licitations, Isabelle! > > > > George Ferzoco > > > > %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%