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Hi Suw, In response to the original email, I have a few links which may be of use in terms of diversity. I'm a bioscience PhD student but have experience researching documentaries and have written a number of sci comm articles. I've found that Google and Wikipedia can yield biased or dated results, partly due to the information that is fed into them. For example, the first relevant Google hit for "CRISPR expert" gave me the name of a male postdoc from Jennifer Doudna's lab, rather than Doudna herself because the word "expert" had been used alongside his name on a popular website. The list of "notable volcanologists" on Wikipedia is completely out of date: it is composed of 22 men and 1 woman mentioned alongside her husband (19 of the list are deceased). Departmental/university websites are usually a much better resource. There's also a number of websites such as 500 Women Scientists (https://500womenscientists.org<https://500womenscientists.org/>, who have a "Request a Scientist" page referenced in Ed Yong's paper) and 500 Queer Scientists (https://www.500queerscientists.com<https://www.500queerscientists.com/>) which are really helpful. Researchers such as Dr Jess Wade are editing Wikipedia to render it more inclusive and diverse, and Dr Sian Culley has created a database of female microscopists in collaboration with the Royal Microscopy Society: https://www.rms.org.uk/network-collaborate/women-in-microscopy.html. There's also websites like the Women's Engineering Society which has links to lots of female engineers: http://www.wes.org.uk/role-models and the WISE campaign has a lot of info about women in science: https://www.wisecampaign.org.uk/#. I hope this is useful and that the talk goes well! Best wishes, Katie ________________________________ From: psci-com: on public engagement with science <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Stephanie <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 11 March 2019 14:58:03 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism Hi all I think the issue is that it went very quickly from a request for information to an assumption that Suw was unaware of intersectional approaches, doesn't involve them in her work, and is unaware or unconcerned about the wider discussion on diversity. She's also mentioned that it's a 3 day talk. It's possible that other areas will be covered by different speakers? We don't know enough information about the event to demand that Suw covers it all. Stephanie On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 1:41 PM Rhys Archer <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi Wynn, I can’t speak to gender studies as I too am not an expert. However, when leading outreach groups around diversity within STEM, it’s a bug bear that when people speak about diversifying science, usually its around issues that are around accessibly for white, able bodied, neurotypical, middle class, cis – straight, women, as issues on intersectionality are not addressed – and therefore those women with the most barriers are ignored. It’s important to remember that when we are talking about women in science, that those women are of all races, disabilities, sexual orientations, and therefore intersectionality is inherently a part of the discussion around inclusivity for women, just one that many seem to ignore. But I do agree that bringing this argument on just one person is not fair whoever you agree with on this thread. This is a wider discussion about the approaches to diversity in low represented fields on which many of us will have experience and opinions, and of which there are many resources on which can be found online. Also I would like to note that I am a she and not a he. Best, Rhys Archer | School of Materials |D1 James Lighthill Building | Northwest Composites Centre | The University of Manchester | e: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> |@PhDArcher From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>] On Behalf Of Wynn Abbott Sent: 11 March 2019 13:03 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism Hi Philippa I’m a member of a minority group too and diversity is important to me - but the way you’re communicating to the list about it feels overly aggressive and counter-productive. I also think the statement by Rhys in his last email: “…the reality is that if you talk about gender without talking about intersectionality then what you are really talking is white, able bodied, neurotypical, middle class, cis – straight, women.” …is not true. I’m not an expert on “intersectionality” but gender studies would appear to me to already have intersectionality built in, to a certain extent. If you live in the West your concept of gender is going to be specific to the West – and the privileges which go with that. I don’t think Suw needs to be screaming “intersectionality” in a guest talk about gender in Malaysia for people to understand that. Wynn From: psci-com: on public engagement with science <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> On Behalf Of Philippa Skett Sent: 11 March 2019 12:32 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism I think accusing me of “pouncing” here is unfair too…feel free to add to the conversation regarding intersectionality, expertise led discussions etc but focussing on ranting (as you yourself put it) about how I was discussing the issue is, quite frankly, rather hypocritical. Want to say you disagree with my points? Fine, here to discuss. However, If you felt that the tone I used was inappropriate, feel free to email me in person, instead of doing literally what you thought I was doing to Suw in the first place and in turn “pouncing” on me on a public mailing list. This forum, with thousands of people, will always have differing of opinions, and I am usually happy to take the time to add to the debate for the overall objective of developing ideas, improving the work we do and the impact we have as a community. With topics like diversity and inclusion, topics that are very emotive and rightfully so due to their importance, I can see why what I wrote may have been interpreted as more pointed than usual. But I (and many others, who are already too frightened to post on this forum) am also fed up of people in science communication pussyfooting around diversity issues and simply patting themselves on the back because for the umpteenth time they are ONLY talking about “#WomeninSTEM”. We need to talk more about what we can do better and how we can do it as a collective. The narrative needs to move on, we’re stagnating as a community and getting upset over people simply pointing this out helps no-one, and in fact, hinders the debate and progress overall. Also, to respond to another email, intersectionality has been around as a concept since 1989. I would suggest if people are presenting themselves as experts to talk about diversity, and they are not up to speed on this rather fundamental concept, they perhaps shouldn’t be taking the lead in discussing diversity issues at all. Philippa From: psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Sujata Kundu Sent: 11 March 2019 11:25 To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism Hi All. I get that everyone has priorities and wants the world to be the best place it can be, and regarding your point on intersectionality I would agree that it is important. However, for a bunch of professionals trying to achieve engagement through cultivating dialogue and sharing experiences, it breaks my heart to see some people pounce on other people so frequently within this community. If someone is asked to contribute in their area of expertise and they’re sharing that work, remind them that it is great that this is being discussed, and maybe suggest ways that you might be able to develop the conversation to be more inclusive in the future. Perhaps say ‘you’re right! Ed’s piece is great - he actually cites this amazing woman expert, who you should all read up on’. There are enough ‘well actually’ types in the world. We don’t need to add to them. Additionally, asking someone to speak outside of their area of research when an event has a certain specific remit that I am sure has been chosen for a specific reason seems unfair. It’s like asking someone like me, who is just a chemist, to sneak in some stuff about the mechanisms behind stem cell biology. Surely it is better for people to speak as experts rather than winging it, especially in this day and age? The pouncing culture held by a handful on here make this community a very scary place to ever ask questions, when it really should be a leading collective of expert minds. We should also be encouraging new people to join and feel confident to ask those questions, instead of intimidating them away. Given how much people like Suw do, often for very little thanks or reward, I find it quite upsetting to see things like this happening. Rant over. I expect I’ll be pounced in now too... but when you do, could you try the ‘what went well, even better if’ approach? Thanks, and sorry to have to say something, but with conversations like this and British Airways annoying me this morning, I needed to speak up. Suze. -- Dr Suze Kundu Materials Chemist and Science Communicator E: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> T: @FunSizeSuze Sent from my iPhone On 11 Mar 2019, at 09:38, Philippa Skett <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi! Me again, No one needs to be an expert in any sort of field to speak up and say in forums, like the one you’re attending (or even this one!), that gender isn’t the only unbalanced voice in journalism. It also doesn’t take an expert to know that women don’t all face the same barriers, and ignoring intersectionality is still doing a disservice to increasing the visibility of women in the media. Since you’re collating studies on gender, maybe also research how (or even IF) efforts are being made to increase the voices of other underrepresented characteristics in media. Use this platform (that you’ve been privileged enough to be given) to develop the narrative beyond gender, and don’t be part of the system that is limiting it. Intersectionality is inherently a universal principle in tackling inequality, regardless of the target audience. Maybe this is something for everyone to consider on #IWD2019, the most hallowed day of all days... Philippa Sent from my iPhone On 8 Mar 2019, at 11:11, Suw Charman-Anderson <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Intersectionality is obviously important, but my area of expertise is gender and that's specifically what I've been asked to speak on. (I'm actually talking to journalists in Malaysia, and I'm not even going to pretend that I understand the intersectional issues that need to be addressed there, and would rather not make assumptions.) Many of the tactics that can be brought to bear to improve gender balance can also be used to improve representation along other axes of diversity, of course. Suw ---- Web: FindingAda.com<http://findingada.com/> Twitter: @findingada<http://twitter.com/findingada> Facebook: AdaLovelaceDay<http://facebook.com/AdaLovelaceDay/> On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 14:49, Philippa Skett <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: Hi Suw, I wonder if maybe a more intersectional approach would be preferable? Journalism would benefit from an increase of diversity across multiple characteristics, not just gender. 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