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OK, so this is quick as I'm in a day rammed with meetings, but no one is actually saying anything negative about intersectionality, so can we just stop insinuating that this is a 'you're for us or your against us' situation. It's not. The long and short of it is that I have been asked to speak about women specifically, and that's what I'm going to do. That's my area of expertise, that's what the client wants, that's what the client is going to get. This is part of a 3 day long event that the client is holding, and I'm not au fait with their other sessions so this is not something where I'm in a position to just go off piste. It would not be professional, and nor would it be helpful, for me to give them a talk they haven't asked for. Secondly, there's nothing wrong with having some focus. My focus is women in STEM, and I've been running Ada Lovelace Day for ten years now, with what I consider to be a very healthy track record on intersectionality. The fact that I am in this instance focusing exclusively on gender, and thus asking for people's experiences on trying to expand the number of women that they talk to and cover, says absolutely nothing about my wider corpus of work. To be honest, I don't think it's very constructive to be chastising people for having focus, and it's even less constructive to be making assumptions about their wider body of work. I thought that this list would be a rich source of additional insights that I could use to make my talk even better. I wasn't expecting to get a metaphorical slapping for not meeting a complete stranger's arbitrary standards for what they personally consider to be appropriate diversity work. Suw ---- Web: FindingAda.com <http://findingada.com/> Twitter: @findingada <http://twitter.com/findingada> Facebook: AdaLovelaceDay <http://facebook.com/AdaLovelaceDay/> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 at 12:03, Rhys Archer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hi All, > > > > I understand that perhaps this can be a difficult topic to navigate and > understand all the responses given – however in my experience of running > Women of Science I have come to realise that when talking about gender > gaps, the reality is that if you talk about gender without talking about > intersectionality then what you are really talking is white, able bodied, > neurotypical, middle class, cis – straight, women. Of course, if that is > what is asked then perhaps it may not be within your remit to speak > otherwise, but in my opinion we should all make an effort to identify what > it is we are talking about and if it is in the aim of equality then to make > sure we are doing just that. But I also we are all trying to achieve > equality together, so we should show kindness to others that ask for > direction with such. > > > > Best, > > Rhys > > > > Rhys Archer| School of Materials |D1 James Lighthill Building | Northwest > Composites Centre | The University of Manchester > e: *[log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> * > |@PhDArcher > > > > *From:* psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Sujata Kundu > *Sent:* 11 March 2019 11:25 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism > > > > Hi All. > > > > I get that everyone has priorities and wants the world to be the best > place it can be, and regarding your point on intersectionality I would > agree that it is important. However, for a bunch of professionals trying to > achieve engagement through cultivating dialogue and sharing experiences, it > breaks my heart to see some people pounce on other people so frequently > within this community. > > > > If someone is asked to contribute in their area of expertise and they’re > sharing that work, remind them that it is great that this is being > discussed, and maybe suggest ways that you might be able to develop the > conversation to be more inclusive in the future. Perhaps say ‘you’re right! > Ed’s piece is great - he actually cites this amazing woman expert, who you > should all read up on’. There are enough ‘well actually’ types in the > world. We don’t need to add to them. > > > > Additionally, asking someone to speak outside of their area of research > when an event has a certain specific remit that I am sure has been chosen > for a specific reason seems unfair. It’s like asking someone like me, who > is just a chemist, to sneak in some stuff about the mechanisms behind stem > cell biology. Surely it is better for people to speak as experts rather > than winging it, especially in this day and age? > > > > The pouncing culture held by a handful on here make this community a very > scary place to ever ask questions, when it really should be a leading > collective of expert minds. We should also be encouraging new people to > join and feel confident to ask those questions, instead of intimidating > them away. Given how much people like Suw do, often for very little thanks > or reward, I find it quite upsetting to see things like this happening. > > > > Rant over. I expect I’ll be pounced in now too... but when you do, could > you try the ‘what went well, even better if’ approach? > > > > Thanks, and sorry to have to say something, but with conversations like > this and British Airways annoying me this morning, I needed to speak up. > > > > Suze. > > -- > > Dr Suze Kundu > > Materials Chemist and Science Communicator > > E: [log in to unmask] > > T: @FunSizeSuze > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 11 Mar 2019, at 09:38, Philippa Skett <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Hi! Me again, > > > > No one needs to be an expert in any sort of field to speak up and say in > forums, like the one you’re attending (or even this one!), that gender > isn’t the only unbalanced voice in journalism. > > > > It also doesn’t take an expert to know that women don’t all face the same > barriers, and ignoring intersectionality is still doing a disservice to > increasing the visibility of women in the media. > > > > Since you’re collating studies on gender, maybe also research how (or even > IF) efforts are being made to increase the voices of other underrepresented > characteristics in media. Use this platform (that you’ve been privileged > enough to be given) to develop the narrative beyond gender, and don’t be > part of the system that is limiting it. > > > > Intersectionality is inherently a universal principle in tackling > inequality, regardless of the target audience. > > > > Maybe this is something for everyone to consider on #IWD2019, the most > hallowed day of all days... > > > > Philippa > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 8 Mar 2019, at 11:11, Suw Charman-Anderson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Intersectionality is obviously important, but my area of expertise is > gender and that's specifically what I've been asked to speak on. (I'm > actually talking to journalists in Malaysia, and I'm not even going to > pretend that I understand the intersectional issues that need to be > addressed there, and would rather not make assumptions.) > > > > Many of the tactics that can be brought to bear to improve gender balance > can also be used to improve representation along other axes of diversity, > of course. > > > > Suw > > > > > > ---- > > > > Web: FindingAda.com <http://findingada.com/> > > Twitter: @findingada <http://twitter.com/findingada> > > Facebook: AdaLovelaceDay <http://facebook.com/AdaLovelaceDay/> > > > > > > > > On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 14:49, Philippa Skett <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Hi Suw, > > > > I wonder if maybe a more intersectional approach would be preferable? > > > > Journalism would benefit from an increase of diversity across multiple > characteristics, not just gender. > > > > Philippa > > > > > > *Philippa Skett AMRSB* > > *Press & Communications Manager* > > 020 7685 2561 > > 07791 22 15 12 > > > > Preferred pronouns: She/her > > Follow us on Twitter <https://twitter.com/RoyalSocBio>, Facebook > <https://www.facebook.com/RoyalSocBio> and Instagram > <https://www.instagram.com/royalsocbio/> > > Royal Society of Biology | Charles Darwin House | 12 Roger Street | London > | WC1N 2JU > > > > > > *From:* psci-com: on public engagement with science [mailto: > [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *Suw Charman-Anderson > *Sent:* 07 March 2019 09:45 > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [PSCI-COM] Gender diversity in journalism > > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm giving a talk in a few weeks on gender diversity in journalism, > running through the stats, what journalist are doing to increase the number > of expert female voices in their stories, and what can be done from a > hiring point of view. I'm away of Ed Yong's great piece from last year: > > > > > https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/02/i-spent-two-years-trying-to-fix-the-gender-imbalance-in-my-stories/552404/ > > > > And I was just wondering what measures other folks take to increase the > number of female voices, and to make sure that women aren't portrayed as > victims (as they mostly are in news media). > > > > I'd love your thoughts on the matter! > > > > Suw > > > > > > ---- > > > > Web: FindingAda.com <http://findingada.com/> > > Twitter: @findingada <http://twitter.com/findingada> > > Facebook: AdaLovelaceDay <http://facebook.com/AdaLovelaceDay/> > > > > ********************************************************************** > psci-com how-to: Once subscribed, send emails for the list to > [log in to unmask] If not subscribed, either subscribe here > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A0=psci-com or send requests > for items to be posted on your behalf to [log in to unmask] > To unsubscribe (or silence messages while away) send an email (any subject) > to [log in to unmask] with one of the following messages (ignoring > text in brackets) • signoff psci-com (to leave the list) • set psci-com > nomail (to stop receiving messages while on holiday) • set psci-com mail > (to resume getting messages) Contact list owner at > [log in to unmask] Small print and JISCMail acceptable use > policy https://sites.google.com/site/pscicomjiscmail/the-small-print > Contact Jisc Helpline: Email: [log in to unmask], Telephone: 0300 300 2212 > ********************************************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > The Royal Society of Biology is a registered charity (registered in > England and Wales No. 277981) and is incorporated by Royal Charter. > Registered Office: Charles Darwin House, 12 Roger Street, London, WC1N 2JU. > > VAT Registration Number: GB 719 029 238. > > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the > use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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