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I wasn't told that when I had a guided tour round a few years ago 
(doesn't mean there isn't one). We walked around in the church area for 
quite a while and saw no stream (or trace of a stream going underground) 
that I noticed. It is very close to the beach.


At Saint-Antoine du Rocher, about 7 miles north of Tours, the tiny 
original church of the village has the apse ambulatory cut into the crag 
of rock, with a stream running down outside, but there was no matching 
legend that I could find (several English cathedrals with springs under 
the east end, of course: Wells, Winchester, Salisbury. And another, and 
one just outside the church at Bryn Glas/Pilleth in mid-Wales).


Jane




On 11/02/2019 18:08, Gross-Diaz, Theresa wrote:
> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
>
> Isn’t there an underground stream or well under les Saintes Maries de 
> la Mer?
>
> TGD
>
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> culture <[log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Thomas Izbicki
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> *Subject:* Re: [M-R] Topics?
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> medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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> Graham,
>
> I'd be interested in anything you find on the second question. Nothing 
> I have read on ministry to the mentally ill (canon law,/Sentences 
> /commentaries or pastoral manuals) touches on seeking miraculous cures.
>
> Tom Izbicki
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> Dear All
>
> Well, here's a couple of items for Shan and others. I'm preparing a 
> pilgrimage conference paper for publication and I'd be delighted to 
> add to my stock of cases in which
>
> (a) a stream flows under a church or other religious building, feeding 
> a pool in the building held to be efficacious in aiding cures
>
> (b) mentally ill people seek a miraculous cure which involves being 
> plunged into cold water (with or without the saying of mass)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Graham
>
> On 11/02/2019 17:08, Madeleine Gray wrote:
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>     medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and
>     culture
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>     We have been a bit quiet lately, haven't we - I have a suspicion
>     that more and more people are discussing things on Twitter (we've
>     had a lengthy thread on reuse of medieval tomb carvings, for
>     example).
>
>     I think, Shan, that what we discuss depends on what people raise -
>     over to you!
>
>     Maddy
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>     'Lle taw Duw nid doeth yngan' (St Fagan, allegedly)
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>     On 11/02/2019 16:57, Richard Legault wrote:
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>         medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion
>         and culture
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>         Right on, Shan.
>
>         I for one would love to see more on medieval
>         science, technology and communication (both texts and
>         artifacts). I'd also like to see more on Jewish and Moslem
>         perspectives and influences, especially in places and times
>         where co-operation predominated over conflict.
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>         Richard J Legault
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>         On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 10:01 AM Shan Morgain
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>             It is possible I have been on this list at a bad time when
>             only a narrow range of topics has come up.
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>             It doesn't appear to be about mediaeval religion and
>             history. It's just about Christianity and very narrow
>             areas of that. There is a wealth of political perspectives
>             on the Church, its contests with the secular society, its
>             treatment of common people, its heresies. None of that
>             appears here.
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