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I agree with Chris and David.

I did not see the language police intervene when others were saying that Brexit is going to "be catastrophic" and "devastate" the economy.

This is a public forum for education, so let's keep the debate open, fair and neutral.

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I think you are being a little prissy ... there is nothing about 'professionalism' that stops a professional expressing his views when the topic so onbviours imapcts on the 'profession.. And [in my view] this forum has insufficient debate of significant matters. Perhaps you should learn to live with it ...

ATB,

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On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 11:03 AM Paul Watkins <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Dear Chris

Whilst I fully respect your respect your right to hold these opinions I would suggest that this forum is not the place to be citing such politically loaded slogans as 'taking back control' and 'Independence, freedom'.
As professionals we must surely try to find a common and positive response to Brexit whilst trying not to aggravate and provoke those who hold different political opinions from ourselves. It is a challenge but I am sure we can succeed!

Paul Watkins
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I am amazed to hear that so many people, from all walks of life, are convinced already that taking back control of our future and not leaving it to be decided by the rest of Europe, will be detrimental. "Independence, Freedom." Not even the government knows how it's going to work in practise yet.

All the talk is negative, all the time, no optimism from anyone.

If I may be allowed my own personal moan;
It was never going to work in the first place!  Both the government and the opposition wanted to stay in the EU. It was left to politicians, who never wanted to leave, to negotiate leaving. We should have had a coalition of those who believed that leaving was the best policy, to negotiate. It is the easiest thing in the world to negotiate a bad deal, say it's this deal or nothing,  and hold the country to ransom by saying "if you don't accept this deal, we will have to remain in the EU. It happens all the time in all walks of life. Merry Christmas to one and all.

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Date:    Thu, 6 Dec 2018 18:22:59 +0000
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Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

I am surprised by some of the comments in this discussion by those who seem to think they can predict the future: where did you study your teaching degree?

I agree with Laila that it is best to wait and see. Things are almost certainly going to change, but it does not mean for the better or for the worse. Some things lost could result in some things gained.  ¡Que será, será!

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Nobody knows what's going to happen?!
Perhaps it's best to read that Article 50 you keep hearing about. It's less than one side of A4...only 5 paragraphs.

Paragraph 3 states the treaties shall cease to apply. People need to realise this means it will affect all industries including the EFL one.

What we don't know is which direction the government will take us - without a WA or remain in the EU. What we do know is that leaving will be catastrophic to the UK, and to stay on topic, will affect the EFL industry too.

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Wow! Very interesting..

Many thanks

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Very interesting Tweet - a question I haven't seen asked:


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Date:    Thu, 6 Dec 2018 21:48:39 +0000
From:    lindy o'halloran <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
Subject: Re: The Impact of Brexit on EFL

We have already noticed a big decline in the number of au pairs coming to Hertfordshire. Some of our EFL classes are under threat as a result as this is our main market (not overseas students). The few au pairs who are here at present say it is because of the uncertainty over what will actually happen in March – they all know people who didn’t want to commit to a year abroad in the UK if the rules were going to change halfway through, or if there was likely to be chaos.
Anecdotally, many have gone to Ireland instead this year.

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Ireland also has an EFL industry which might benefit from Brexit.
It would depend on the cost of the visa and length of application process.
No need to worry just yet
No one knows what’s going on or what will happen.
As a French national, I’ve been in london for 29 years now, I’m waiting to see what will actually happen before worrying.
It keeps on changing so let’s wait , continue to campaign, lobby and pressurise the government and hope for a positive outcome 🤞🏽

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I don't think people are going to stop learning English after Brexit.
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Very interesting Tweet - a question I haven't seen asked:


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