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Overall, there is an issue with the scale and apart from the social meaning that each map bears, there are practical reasons for putting Shetland Islands on a separate box depending on the aim of the map. For example, map C is a roadmap of Scotland and it’s essential for the map user to see the connection between Aberdeen and Shetland Isles, although they have been misplaced. However, in map D, which is a touring map, this connection was not needed, so the Islands have been placed in a separate legend box. There is no reason to mix practicalities with local pride in my opinion. Have a good day, Dr. Efstathios Margaritis Geography – Durham University On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 08:19, Ilan Kelman < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Why would showing a lot of water on a map make a country look tiny? If you > need, want, and are connected to the ocean, then showing a lot of water on > a map makes your country look huge. The point certainly deserves critique > and deconstruction, but the Small Island Developing States are aiming to > brand themselves as Large Ocean States (compare their land areas to their > EEZs). > > Alternatively, produce a larger map and learn how to fold it. Or use the > map on your phone so that you can alter the scale at will. Or perhaps you > want a map of the ocean because you are on a ship. > > This is not arguing against boxes per se. It is pointing out the number of > possibilities for maps and mapping, to be flexible, creative, and > needs-driven--as always, depending on resources and uses. Let's not permit > the map to wag the user. > > Ilan > Twitter/Instagram @IlanKelman > ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ilan_Kelman > > > > On Saturday, October 6, 2018, 8:16:20 PM GMT+1, Hillary Shaw < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Nobody's mentioned the issue of map scale here. The distance from the > northern tip of the Orkneys up to the northern tip of the Shetlands is > approximately a third of the distance from the northern tip of the Orkneys > down to the southernmost point of Scotland. So any map of Scotland that > doesn't use a box for the Shetlands is going to be reduced in scale by 33% > compared to one that does. I thought a major problem with Africa and the > Mercator porjection is that it leads to absurdities like Africa looking > anbout the same size as Europe and much smaller than Greenland. Do Scots > like their country to look tiny on maps? > > Dr Hillary J. Shaw > Visiting Fellow - Centre for Urban Research on Austerity > Department of Politics and Public Policy > De Montfort University > LE1 9BH > *www.fooddeserts.org <http://www.fooddeserts.org>* > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ilan Kelman <[log in to unmask]> > To: CRIT-GEOG-FORUM <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2018 9:06 am > Subject: Re: is this the craziest mapping 'law' yet? > > Alaska's coastline length according to NOAA > https://coast.noaa.gov/data/docs/states/shorelines.pdf is 33,904 miles = > over 54,000 km yet NZ's coastline length according to NZ's government > https://teara.govt.nz/en/natural-environment/page-2 is 15,000-18,000 km > with the CIA World Factbook giving it as > https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nz.html 15,134 > km. > > "Larger mountain chain" could refer to various parameterisations, but Mont > Blanc's peak is just over 4,800 metres above sea level while Aoraki's peak is > just over 3,700 metres above sea level. Given the Earth's equatorial bulge > and the difference in the two mountains' absolute latitudes, it is possible > that Aoraki's peak is farther from the centre of the Earth than Mont > Blanc's peak. > > Since for many islanders and coastal peoples the sea is more important > than the land (as documented by Epeli Hau'ofa amongst many other island > studies authors), the UK claims a far larger EEZ than NZ > http://www.cpahq.org/cpahq/cpadocs/UKNDA%20EEZ%20and%20Territorial%20Seas.pdf although > the UK numbers appear to include the UK Overseas Territories whilst the NZ > numbers do not appear to include NZ's "self-administering" or > "self-governing in free association" territories. > > In summary, these metrics are more for games than for being useful and, > irrespective, NZ, Shetland, and Svalbard amongst many others deserve their > rightful places on maps. Does this preclude boxes? It depends on the > purpose of the map, such as the balance between using the land, the water, > and the areas in between. Because some people do want, use, and need maps > which are mostly open sea. > > Ilan > Twitter/Instagram @IlanKelman > ResearchGate https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Ilan_Kelman > > > On Friday, October 5, 2018, 10:08:01 PM GMT+1, Chamberlain, Kerry < > [log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Careful Hilary, New Zealanders are sensitive about being continually left > off maps and want our rightful place in the world recognised. > As one commentator said “For a country that is physically larger than UK, > has a population of 4.5 million, more coastline than California, Alaska and > Florida combined and a larger mountain chain than the entire European Alps, > it’s time for New Zealand to be put back on the map – literally!” > You need to view https://vimeo.com/267399963 > Cheers, > Kerry > > > *From: *A forum for critical and radical geographers < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Hillary Shaw < > [log in to unmask]> > *Reply-To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > *Date: *Friday, 5 October 2018 at 05:53 > *To: *"[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> > *Subject: *is this the craziest mapping 'law' yet? > > yes, we really want maps of Scotland, and the Shetlands, that are mostly > open sea? > > And then what about New Zealand (often moved S and W under Australia). > Corsica and France? And those pesky London tube maps that make Amersham > look only a little bit further from Bank than Notting Hill is? > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-45733111 > > Dr Hillary J. Shaw > Visiting Fellow - Centre for Urban Research on Austerity > Department of Politics and Public Policy > De Montfort University > LE1 9BH > *www.fooddeserts.org <http://www.fooddeserts.org>* > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1 > -- *Dr. Efstathios Margaritis* Urban Sound Planner ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CRIT-GEOG-FORUM list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CRIT-GEOG-FORUM&A=1