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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Though the earliest copy of this text is 6th century, I believe the Epistle to the Laodicdeans was commonly part of the medieval Latin Vulgate. Remember, you are hearing this from a country song writer, with a fraction of the knowledge of any of the list regulars. Bob Peckham, PhD http://www.utm.edu/staff/globeg/tnbob.shtml<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utm.edu%2Fstaff%2Fglobeg%2Ftnbob.shtml&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7C4a64932e64354c816aab08d61b8a7800%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C636726678893719012&sdata=kmxO1o08pXu8jozcmSXesw8wka5cHZF9hBB53YsXENw%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Thomas Izbicki <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 6:37 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] history of English Bible translation medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I once found a copy of the Epistle to the Laodicdeans inserted into a Bible manuscript at the Ambrosiana. It was included with the accepted letters of Paul. It is a pastiche of excerpts from the Pauline corpus. Tom Izbicki ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Bob Peckham <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 12:10:02 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] history of English Bible translation medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Yes, the Gospel of Nicodemus has been rightly classified as "non canonical". However, if we remember that in the wait for the decision of the Council of Trent, in 1546, significant variants, the habit of copying books separately, the expense of books, the illiteracy of both laymen and clergy were all fragmenting the wieght of the label "canonical". In the meanwhile, there were favorite non-canonical books like "The Gospel of Nicodemus" which gained status. The number of copies of this work are a witness. Bob Peckham, PhD http://www.utm.edu/staff/globeg/tnbob.shtml<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utm.edu%2Fstaff%2Fglobeg%2Ftnbob.shtml&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7C4a64932e64354c816aab08d61b8a7800%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C636726678893719012&sdata=kmxO1o08pXu8jozcmSXesw8wka5cHZF9hBB53YsXENw%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Robert Kraft <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 10:38 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] history of English Bible translation medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Also known as the "Gospel of Nicodemus" -- "apocryphal" in the sense of "non-canonical" in major church traditions. Did any group treat it otherwise? Bob Kraft On 9/15/2018 9:34 PM, Jaye Procure wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Ah! So it is TRULY apocryphal. Thank you. I hadn't actually considered that possibility! Jaye On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 9:16 PM Bob Peckham, <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture I am not sure, but I believe it (also called the "Acts of Pilate") would be a part of a New Testament apocrypha. I don't see it included in the medieval Vulgate, where it is translated (French or English), it is frequently alone or with non-biblical texts. Bob Peckham, PhD http://www.utm.edu/staff/globeg/tnbob.shtml<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utm.edu%2Fstaff%2Fglobeg%2Ftnbob.shtml&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7C4a64932e64354c816aab08d61b8a7800%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C636726678893719012&sdata=kmxO1o08pXu8jozcmSXesw8wka5cHZF9hBB53YsXENw%3D&reserved=0> ________________________________ From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> on behalf of Jaye Procure <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2018 6:44 PM To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [M-R] history of English Bible translation medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture This is a lovely resource. Thank you, Dr. Peckham. I have a question for clarity, please. One of your headings refers to translations including a book from The Apocrypha. By "Apocrypha" do you mean the deutero-canonical books? Thank you Jaye Procure On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, 1:38 PM Bob Peckham, <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Some of you will remember my Textual Sources of Gallo-Romance Vernacular Bibles http://www.utm.edu/staff/bobp/vlibrary/bible.shtml<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utm.edu%2Fstaff%2Fbobp%2Fvlibrary%2Fbible.shtml&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7C4a64932e64354c816aab08d61b8a7800%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C636726678893719012&sdata=3Cbns33WhEqtJLThGAeH08%2BhZ8WtEfUemd554AROL%2BY%3D&reserved=0> Still interested in the manuscript as a support resource in the history of Bible translation during the Middle Ages, I have posted a first draft of English Bible Translation through Wycliffe http://www.utm.edu/staff/bobp/vlibrary/engbible.shtml<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.utm.edu%2Fstaff%2Fbobp%2Fvlibrary%2Fengbible.shtml&data=02%7C01%7Ctizbicki%40LIBRARIES.RUTGERS.EDU%7C4a64932e64354c816aab08d61b8a7800%7Cb92d2b234d35447093ff69aca6632ffe%7C1%7C0%7C636726678893719012&sdata=tIl9Dn2zAF%2F5StPYp8Ou%2F3xrvoqcsRcCagzb3vhMh7k%3D&reserved=0> Not a practicing medievalist or a church history scholar, I am a retired teacher and songwriter. 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