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Or defective detective? On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 5:42 pm Luke, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > We do seem to know some stuff; mostly the rest is decorative? > > Luke > > On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 17:32, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> I'm a covert realist myself :) >> >> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018, 3:33 pm Luke, <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> > words to that effect >>> >>> They work for me. So not rhetorical then... >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 15:31, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Because the social world of power that I experience is complex, though >>>> brutal in its simplicity; incoherent, though authoritarian; inimical to >>>> psychological need though ready to gratify base drives. >>>> >>>> Or words to that effect. >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On 4 September 2018 at 15:19, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So why are you using surrealist techniques? For complexity, >>>>> incoherence, psychological needs? >>>>> >>>>> Luke >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 14:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've had extensive dealings with Yodel and its complaints service >>>>>> lately and would suggest that it covers both post-surrealism and devices >>>>>> meaningfully combining into incoherence very nicely indeedy-deed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4 September 2018 at 11:56, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok so what I'm working with is: *devices meaningfully combining >>>>>>> into incoherence*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A very good example of that meaningfulness would be any parody of >>>>>>> closure... but it works with e.g. Imagism, I think, too; a collage that >>>>>>> makes no literal sense but is still meaningful >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 11:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sounds like a good thing! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Luke >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Sep 2018 at 10:38, Tim Allen < >>>>>>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I tend to describe myself in general as a post-surrealist, or at >>>>>>>>> least I prefer that to some other things I get called - the problem is it >>>>>>>>> is a very wide ranging 'post' >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 4 Sep 2018, at 10:09, Luke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry, a little drunk there... >>>>>>>>> I'm trying to find a starting point from which to say a poem >>>>>>>>> works, rather than does something I like or feel I should. A specific type >>>>>>>>> of 'verisimilitude', does that make sense? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the >>>>>>> following link: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>>> link: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>>> link: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>>> link: >>>> >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >>> link: >>> >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >>> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following >> link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 >> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the BRITISH-IRISH-POETS list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=BRITISH-IRISH-POETS&A=1