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Don't know where that 95%+ comes from. It's 91.6% in the UK for MMR. It's also known that there are clusters of lower coverage. On 08-Aug-18 11:12 AM, Juan Gérvas wrote: > -the question is about bad science for explaining vaccines herd inmunity > -but Spain and the *UK* don’t have mandatory vaccination, and vaccine > coverage is well over 95%. > -having not a compulsoy vaccination policy is not anti-science movement > -what is the EBM for compulsory vaccination except in emergency > situations? > -see: > Restrictions should only be placed after meeting certain conditions to > ensure judicious use of this power. > https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1592474/ > > It is a reasonable argument that all children should be vaccinated for > the protection of society; however, vaccination policies outside the > UK demonstrate that compulsion does not guarantee high rates of > immunisation, and that education and engagement can be highly successful. > http://ojs.lib.ucl.ac.uk/index.php/up/article/view/1383 > > An educational program should be set up to explain to Vaccination > staff the value and worth of voluntary compared to mandatory > vaccination and why high vaccination rates do not have to depend on > compulsion. > https://bmchealthservres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1472-6963-9-100 > > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > El mié., 8 ago. 2018 a las 11:54, Iovine Roberto > (<[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>) escribió: > > > so we need more compulsory vaccination, well over the 95% of the > population. > i am afraid the italian government is about to introduce a > non-compulsory politic. > poor italy, the country of Galileo is going to lead the > anti-science movement > roberto iovine > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Da: *"Juan Gérvas" <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> > *A: *[log in to unmask] > <mailto:[log in to unmask]> > *Inviato: *Mercoledì, 8 agosto 2018 11:38:35 > *Oggetto: *herd inmunity, no so simply > > -an example of vaccines oversimplification, bad science > -this "explorable" is full of mistakes and errors: > /This explorable illustrates the mechanism of herd immunity. When > an infectious disease spreads in a population, an individual can > be protected by a vaccine that delivers immunity. But there's a > greater good. Immunization not only projects the individual > directly. The immunized person will also never transmit the > disease to others, effectively reducing the likelihood that the > disease can proliferate in the population. Because of this, a > disease can be eradicated even if not the entire population is > immunized. This population wide effect is known as herd immunity. / > http://www.complexity-explorables.org/explorables/herd/ > -1/ "The system is initially fully susceptible with a few infected > individuals randomly scattered into the population". Usually, many > individuals without the vaccination are not susceptible, but > immunized because the natural infection. > -2/ "An infected individual remains infectious for some time, > recover subsequently, and become susceptible again". In many > cases, an infected individual recover subsequently, and become > protected for the whole life. > -3/ "The immunized person will also never transmit the disease to > others" In some case yes, in others no. See the diphtheria > vaccine. Vaccinated individuals can carrier toxigenic diphtheria > germs and transmit the disease to others. > -4/ In most cases (except perhaps for the vaccine of yellow fever) > "inmunity" is not for ever. Most vaccines simply delaye the > "window" for infections (they are time bombs). This is the case of > measles vaccine and why in New Zealdand will add a supplementary > (3rd shot) > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X17310034… > <https://t.co/516hwI1hh3> > -the author could help readers with a "note" as: "This a > theoretical situation. In practice the situation of the naive > American indians when the Spaniards arrived with measles, for > example (a new disease in America). [but at that time we have no > measles vaccine] Or, when developing a vaccine against gonorrhea, > where a protective immune response is absent (by contrast syphilis > infection produces a partially protective immunity) > https://www.nature.com/articles/nature03072… > <https://t.co/SMSs4lrXq4> " > -it is not so simple. Herd immunity. Measles. The 95% coverage > mantra. Measles outbreak with more than 97% coverage (Navarra, > Spain; Porto, Portugal; Gothenburg, Sweden > http://crofsblogs.typepad.com/h5n1/2018/01/sweden-measles-outbreak-also-affects-vaccinated.html… > <https://t.co/QnM7n7YG6v> And many vaccines have no heard inmunity > at all: tetanus, rabies, diphtheria,... > -un saludo juan gérvas @JuanGrvas > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH list, click the > following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=EVIDENCE-BASED-HEALTH&A=1 > > > > > --- > Sostieni la ricerca dell'IRCCS Istituto delle Scienze > Neurologiche. Dona il tuo 5 per mille. CF 02406911202. 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