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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BED5C3F7-5766-412C-A866-214428B07989" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail=_BED5C3F7-5766-412C-A866-214428B07989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear all, > A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? > Thank you, all the best, > > > Dr. Canan Çakırlar > Groningen Institute of Archaeology > Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands > tel. +31(0)50-3636732 > Academic Profile > Collections Database > > Hidden Hybrids > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail=_BED5C3F7-5766-412C-A866-214428B07989 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
[log in to unmask][log in to unmask]
tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all, 
A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? 
Thank you, all the best, 


Dr. Canan Çakırlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology 
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands 
tel. +31(0)50-3636732

Academic Profile

Collections Database 

Hidden Hybrids



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--Apple-Mail=_BED5C3F7-5766-412C-A866-214428B07989-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 18:06:44 +0000 Reply-To: Edward Maher <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Edward Maher <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: orca stomach contents Comments: To: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_SC1P152MB04309CA315D88FD24A8BD0CEBF430SC1P152MB0430LAMP_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_SC1P152MB04309CA315D88FD24A8BD0CEBF430SC1P152MB0430LAMP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable @ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash) *************************************** Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. Instructor North Central College Naperville, IL ________________________________ From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Dear all, A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? Thank you, all the best, Dr. Canan akrlar Groningen Institute of Archaeology Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands tel. +31(0)50-3636732 Academic Profile Collections Database Hidden Hybrids ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --_000_SC1P152MB04309CA315D88FD24A8BD0CEBF430SC1P152MB0430LAMP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-3" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash)


 
***************************************
Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. 
Instructor
North Central College
Naperville, IL
 
 
 



From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents
 
cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
[log in to unmask][log in to unmask]
tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all, 
A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? 
Thank you, all the best, 


Dr. Canan akrlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology 
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands 
tel. +31(0)50-3636732

Academic Profile

Collections Database 

Hidden Hybrids



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========================================================================Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 15:48:05 -0300 Reply-To: Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: orca stomach contents Comments: To: Edward Maher <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------DBDF264E9AFA45722A48DE9F" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------DBDF264E9AFA45722A48DE9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-3; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Salima: this is the right way to create suspense! Vivian El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribi: > > @ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash) > > > *************************************** > Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. > _Instructor_ > North Central College > Naperville, IL > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites > <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents > cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? > > Salima Ikram > Distinguished University Professor > Egyptology Unit Head > Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology > American University in Cairo > AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 > New Cairo 11835 > [log in to unmask] , > [log in to unmask] > tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask] >> > wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? >> Thank you, all the best, >> >> >> Dr. Canan akrlar >> Groningen Institute of Archaeology >> Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands >> tel. +31(0)50-3636732 >> >> Academic Profile >> >> >> Collections Database >> >> >> >> Hidden Hybrids >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > --- El software de antivirus Avast ha analizado este correo electrnico en busca de virus. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------DBDF264E9AFA45722A48DE9F Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Salima: this is the right way to create suspense!


Vivian


El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribi:
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@ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash)


***************************************
Edward F. Maher, Ph.D.
Instructor
North Central College
Naperville, IL



From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents
cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
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tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all,
A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are?
Thank you, all the best,


Dr. Canan akrlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ERGroningen, Netherlands
tel. +31(0)50-3636732

Academic Profile

Collections Database

Hidden Hybrids



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--------------DBDF264E9AFA45722A48DE9F-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 23:32:04 +0100 Reply-To: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: orca stomach contents Comments: To: Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_04CC3A2F-1B91-4DB0-86BD-F46A77C5F98C" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail=_04CC3A2F-1B91-4DB0-86BD-F46A77C5F98C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 da da da dah! Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Salima: this is the right way to create suspense! > > Vivian > > El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió: >> @ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash) >> >> >> *************************************** >> Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. >> Instructor >> North Central College >> Naperville, IL >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> >> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents >> >> cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? >> >> Salima Ikram >> Distinguished University Professor >> Egyptology Unit Head >> Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology >> American University in Cairo >> AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 >> New Cairo 11835 >> [log in to unmask] , [log in to unmask] >> tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask] > wrote: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? >>> Thank you, all the best, >>> >>> >>> Dr. Canan Çakırlar >>> Groningen Institute of Archaeology >>> Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands >>> tel. +31(0)50-3636732 >>> Academic Profile >>> Collections Database >>> Hidden Hybrids >>> >>> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > Libre de virus. www.avast.com > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail=_04CC3A2F-1B91-4DB0-86BD-F46A77C5F98C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 da da da dah!
Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
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tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Salima: this is the right way to create suspense!

Vivian

El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió:
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@ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash)

 
***************************************
Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. 
Instructor
North Central College
Naperville, IL
 
 
 



From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]>
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To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents
 
cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
[log in to unmask][log in to unmask]
tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all, 
A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? 
Thank you, all the best, 


Dr. Canan Çakırlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology 
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands 
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Comments: To: "terry.oconnor" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000505a4205700d6ca6" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000505a4205700d6ca6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the SAAs I saw a Dino-Lite live demo of stacked images of a cut mark and the speed, focus, and depth was pretty amazing. Elizabeth *From:* Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto: [log in to unmask]] *On Behalf Of *terry.oconnor *Sent:* Monday, July 2, 2018 7:23 PM *To:* [log in to unmask] *Subject:* Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? Well, yes, if you have regular SEM access and budget and material that will take SEM prep, then it's probably the better option. But I have yet to see a SEM that can be taken into the field or to museum collections, or that can be had for under £1000 brand new. Of the optical options, Keyence do kit that overcomes the issues you mention, but it's bulky and costs an order of magnitude more. If 'flattening' of the image is a problem, have you tried Focus-stacking Dino-lite images? Sonia O'C, whose knowledge of macro/micro imaging is way beyond mine, produced some excellent images of small shells recently using a Dino-light and focus-stacking, and just did a lovely job imaging fine cut-marks using her Dino-light and some extra lamps. There are other options of course, but the original question was about using a Dino-lite to image cut marks. For that purpose, we have found it to be fit for purpose, affordable and easily portable. Terry Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Haskel Greenfield <[log in to unmask]> Date: 02/07/2018 19:42 (GMT+00:00) To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief. Sincerely Haskel Haskel Greenfield Sent from my iPhone On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Dear Zooarchers, What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? Thanks a lot and have a nice summer *Marie-Cécile Soulier* ----------- PhD, Zooarchaeology *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier * *Agent contractuel CNRS* TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ------------------------------ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000505a4205700d6ca6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At the SAAs I saw a Dino-Lite live demo of stacked images of a cut mark and the speed, focus, and depth was pretty amazing.

Elizabeth

 

From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of terry.oconnor
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 7:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera?

 

Well, yes, if you have regular SEM access and budget and material that will take SEM prep, then it's probably the better option. But I have yet to see a SEM that can be taken into the field or to museum collections, or that can be had for under  £1000 brand new. Of the optical options, Keyence do kit that overcomes the issues you mention, but it's bulky and costs an order of magnitude more. If 'flattening' of the image is a problem, have you tried Focus-stacking Dino-lite images? Sonia O'C, whose knowledge of macro/micro imaging is way beyond mine, produced some excellent images of small shells recently using a Dino-light and focus-stacking, and just did a lovely job imaging fine cut-marks using her Dino-light and some extra lamps. 

There are other options of course, but the original question was about using a Dino-lite to image cut marks. For that purpose, we have found it to be fit for purpose, affordable and easily portable. 

 

Terry

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Haskel Greenfield <[log in to unmask]>

Date: 02/07/2018 19:42 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera?

 

I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief.

Sincerely

Haskel

Haskel Greenfield

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear Zooarchers,

 

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

 

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

 

Marie-Cécile Soulier

 

-----------

PhD, Zooarchaeology

 

 

 

Agent contractuel CNRS

TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C

 

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--000000000000505a4205700d6ca6-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 20:47:43 -0400 Reply-To: Richard Redding <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Richard Redding <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? Comments: To: Elizabeth Moore <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BE28825B-DAFB-445C-B74C-7D8438A21D63 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail-BE28825B-DAFB-445C-B74C-7D8438A21D63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on my reading of their web site the extended depth of field option (stacked images) does not work with Mac systems Richard Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 2, 2018, at 20:30, Elizabeth Moore <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > At the SAAs I saw a Dino-Lite live demo of stacked images of a cut mark and the speed, focus, and depth was pretty amazing. > Elizabeth > > From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of terry.oconnor > Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 7:23 PM > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? > > Well, yes, if you have regular SEM access and budget and material that will take SEM prep, then it's probably the better option. But I have yet to see a SEM that can be taken into the field or to museum collections, or that can be had for under £1000 brand new. Of the optical options, Keyence do kit that overcomes the issues you mention, but it's bulky and costs an order of magnitude more. If 'flattening' of the image is a problem, have you tried Focus-stacking Dino-lite images? Sonia O'C, whose knowledge of macro/micro imaging is way beyond mine, produced some excellent images of small shells recently using a Dino-light and focus-stacking, and just did a lovely job imaging fine cut-marks using her Dino-light and some extra lamps. > There are other options of course, but the original question was about using a Dino-lite to image cut marks. For that purpose, we have found it to be fit for purpose, affordable and easily portable. > > Terry > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: Haskel Greenfield <[log in to unmask]> > Date: 02/07/2018 19:42 (GMT+00:00) > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? > > I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief. > Sincerely > Haskel > > Haskel Greenfield > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear Zooarchers, > > What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? > > Thanks a lot and have a nice summer > > Marie-Cécile Soulier > > ----------- > PhD, Zooarchaeology > > https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier > > > Agent contractuel CNRS > TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C > > N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail-BE28825B-DAFB-445C-B74C-7D8438A21D63 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Based on my reading of their web site the extended depth of field option (stacked images) does not work with Mac systems

Richard

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On Jul 2, 2018, at 20:30, Elizabeth Moore <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

At the SAAs I saw a Dino-Lite live demo of stacked images of a cut mark and the speed, focus, and depth was pretty amazing.

Elizabeth

 

From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of terry.oconnor
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 7:23 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera?

 

Well, yes, if you have regular SEM access and budget and material that will take SEM prep, then it's probably the better option. But I have yet to see a SEM that can be taken into the field or to museum collections, or that can be had for under  £1000 brand new. Of the optical options, Keyence do kit that overcomes the issues you mention, but it's bulky and costs an order of magnitude more. If 'flattening' of the image is a problem, have you tried Focus-stacking Dino-lite images? Sonia O'C, whose knowledge of macro/micro imaging is way beyond mine, produced some excellent images of small shells recently using a Dino-light and focus-stacking, and just did a lovely job imaging fine cut-marks using her Dino-light and some extra lamps. 

There are other options of course, but the original question was about using a Dino-lite to image cut marks. For that purpose, we have found it to be fit for purpose, affordable and easily portable. 

 

Terry

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Haskel Greenfield <[log in to unmask]>

Date: 02/07/2018 19:42 (GMT+00:00)

Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera?

 

I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief.

Sincerely

Haskel

Haskel Greenfield

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear Zooarchers,

 

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

 

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

 

Marie-Cécile Soulier

 

-----------

PhD, Zooarchaeology

 

 

 

Agent contractuel CNRS

TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C

 

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--Apple-Mail-BE28825B-DAFB-445C-B74C-7D8438A21D63-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 04:39:19 +0200 Reply-To: "Cakirlar, C." <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: "Cakirlar, C." <[log in to unmask]> Subject: inside the orca again MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093715705700f38d2" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --00000000000093715705700f38d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14n_7KWNIHknu7aaiLLvi_VuYKaA4cDzo?usp=sharing hope this works! Dr. Canan Çakırlar Groningen Institute of Archaeology Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands tel. +31(0)50-3636732 Academic Profile Collections Database Hidden Hybrids On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > da da da dah! > Salima Ikram > Distinguished University Professor > Egyptology Unit Head > Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology > American University in Cairo > AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 > New Cairo 11835 > [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] > tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Salima: this is the right way to create suspense! > > Vivian > > El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió: > > @ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash) > > > *************************************** > Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. > *Instructor* > North Central College > Naperville, IL > > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites > <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima > Ikram <[log in to unmask]> <[log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents > > cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? > > Salima Ikram > Distinguished University Professor > Egyptology Unit Head > Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology > American University in Cairo > AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 > New Cairo 11835 > [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] > tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Dear all, > A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? > Thank you, all the best, > > > Dr. Canan Çakırlar > Groningen Institute of Archaeology > Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER > > Groningen, Netherlands > > > tel. +31(0)50-3636732 > Academic Profile > > Collections Database > > > Hidden Hybrids > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > > > Libre > de virus. www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------ > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --00000000000093715705700f38d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

hope this works! 

Dr. Canan Çakırlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology 
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands 
tel. +31(0)50-3636732

Academic Profile

Collections Database 

Hidden Hybrids


On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
da da da dah!
Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
[log in to unmask]salimaikr[log in to unmask]
tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Salima: this is the right way to create suspense!

Vivian

El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió:
@ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash)

 
***************************************
Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. 
Instructor
North Central College
Naperville, IL
 
 
 



From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents
 
cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

Salima Ikram
Distinguished University Professor 
Egyptology Unit Head
Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology
American University in Cairo
AUC Avenue, PO Box 74
New Cairo 11835
[log in to unmask]salimaikr[log in to unmask]
tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903











On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear all, 
A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? 
Thank you, all the best, 


Dr. Canan Çakırlar


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Susan Crockford <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: inside the orca again In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01D41267.24CEC890" Message-ID: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D41267.24CEC890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Not octopus. I see those a lot in seal stomachs and scats and they don’t look anything like these. I’m almost certain these are eroded dogfish spines, Squalus acanthias. The other bits are likely eroded cartilage from the same fish. regards, Susan Susan J. Crockford, Ph.D. (Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology) Adjunct Professor (Anthropology/Graduate Studies) email: [log in to unmask] University of Victoria, British Columbia, Canada AND Pacific Identifications Inc. (www.pacificid.com) 6011 Oldfield Rd., RR 3 Victoria BC V9E 2J4 phone (250) 721-7296 fax (250) 721-6215 email: [log in to unmask] **see my author website www.susancrockford.com ** From: Hanneke Meijer Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 12:10 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] inside the orca again Dear Canan, My guess would be that these are remnants of a small octopus. The two soft parts appear to have circular structures on them that resemble the suction cups. The two shell-like structures would be fragments of the beak. These are shaped like parrot beaks and highly curved. The two fragments look somewhat different but I think I am seeing a fracture surface so they could be just fragments of it. Hope this helps! All the best, Hanneke Dr. Hanneke J.M. Meijer Associate Professor, University Museum, Department of Natural History University of Bergen, Norway tel: +47 55 58 29 18 Research Associate, Human Origins Program Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington, D.C., USA Editor in Chief, Open Quaternary From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cakirlar, C. Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2018 4:39 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [ZOOARCH] inside the orca again https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14n_7KWNIHknu7aaiLLvi_VuYKaA4cDzo?usp=sharing hope this works! Dr. Canan Çakırlar Groningen Institute of Archaeology Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands tel. +31(0)50-3636732 Academic Profile Collections Database Hidden Hybrids On Tue, Jul 3, 2018 at 12:32 AM, Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> wrote: da da da dah! Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Salima: this is the right way to create suspense! Vivian El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió: @ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash) *************************************** Edward F. Maher, Ph.D. Instructor North Central College Naperville, IL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites mailto:[log in to unmask] on behalf of Salima Ikram mailto:[log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, July 2, 2018 5:40 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] orca stomach contents cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah? Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 On 2 Jul 2018, at 16:36, Cakirlar, C. <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Dear all, A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are? 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Hi all,
 
Not octopus. I see those a lot in seal stomachs and scats and they don’t look anything like these.
 
I’m almost certain these are eroded dogfish spines, Squalus acanthias. The other bits are likely eroded cartilage from the same fish.
 
regards,
 
Susan
 
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Dear Canan,

 

My guess would be that these are remnants of a small octopus. The two soft parts appear to have circular structures on them that resemble the suction cups. The two shell-like structures would be fragments of the beak. These are shaped like parrot beaks and highly curved. The two fragments look somewhat different but I think I am seeing a fracture surface so they could be just fragments of it. Hope this helps!

All the best, Hanneke

 

Dr. Hanneke J.M. Meijer

Associate Professor, University Museum, Department of Natural History

University of Bergen, Norway

tel: +47 55 58 29 18

 

Research Associate, Human Origins Program

Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, Washington, D.C., USA

 

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hope this works!

 

Dr. Canan Çakırlar

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da da da dah!

Salima Ikram

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On 2 Jul 2018, at 19:48, Vivian Scheinsohn <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Salima: this is the right way to create suspense!

 

Vivian

 

El 02/07/2018 a las 03:06 p.m., Edward Maher escribió:

@ Salima: ba-dum-bum (cymbal splash)

 

 

***************************************

Edward F. Maher, Ph.D.

Instructor

North Central College

Naperville, IL

 

 

 

 


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cannot see them. are you sure that they are not bits of Jonah?

 

Salima Ikram

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Egyptology Unit Head

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Dear all,

A colleague found these in an orca. Any clues as to what they are?

Thank you, all the best,

 


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Groningen Institute of Archaeology

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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01D41267.24CEC890-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 07:46:51 -0400 Reply-To: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000065fc02057016df77" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --00000000000065fc02057016df77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What would everyone recommend for no- or low-budget cut mark photography? Should I just look into cameras with good macro zooms? I find myself in the position of wanting to prove to myself what I'm seeing on certain specimens (ones where you wouldn't expect them to be) are indeed cut marks and I'd like to take photographs. I've been told taking photos *through* a microscope's lens can be sufficient but I'm skeptical and have yet to try. Thanks, Allison On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 3:15 AM Aaron Sasson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Good morning Marie-Cécile, > > We did a collaborative exercise with the West Semitic Research Project > (University of Southern California) shooting specimens with RTI > (Reflectance Transformation Imaging) technique. The results were > spectacular. Here is a link to YouTube demonstrating this technique: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxJixqe5glI > > > > You can find more information at the West Semitic Research Project website > (http://wsrp.usc.edu/information/) and just searching the internet This > technique is good for showing any surface modification like cut, gnawing or > trampling marks. It was used in studies of the Dead Sea scroll and it can > be used in the field too. With some training, anyone can shoot specimens in > the lab or in the field. The main drawback, in my opinion, is that it is > time-consuming. > > > > I'm keeping it short in this Email but if you need further information, > feel free to contact me off list or in Ankara. > > > > Best, > > Aaron > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D240CA.91FCF010] > > Aharon Sasson, PhD > Co-director, San Diego Zooarchaeology Laboratory > Department of Birds and Mammals > > San Diego Natural History Museum > 1788 El Prado, San Diego, CA 92101 > > Tel: 858-228-8157 > SDZL Website: http://sdnhm.org/sdzl/ > > > > *P* *Please consider the impact on the environment before printing this* > *message* > > > > > > > > *From:* Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites < > [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Haskel Greenfield > *Sent:* Monday, July 2, 2018 11:43 AM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? > > > > I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much > and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it > allows for accurate depictions is relief. > > Sincerely > > Haskel > > Haskel Greenfield > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > Dear Zooarchers, > > > > What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of > cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone > already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? > > > > Thanks a lot and have a nice summer > > > > *Marie-Cécile Soulier* > > > > ----------- > > PhD, Zooarchaeology > > > > *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier > * > > > > > > *Agent contractuel CNRS* > > TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C > > > > *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --00000000000065fc02057016df77 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What would everyone recommend for no- or low-budget cut mark photography? Should I just look into cameras with good macro zooms? I find myself in the position of wanting to prove to myself what I'm seeing on certain specimens (ones where you wouldn't expect them to be) are indeed cut marks and I'd like to take photographs. I've been told taking photos *through* a microscope's lens can be sufficient but I'm skeptical and have yet to try.

Thanks,
Allison


On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 3:15 AM Aaron Sasson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Good morning Marie-Cécile,

We did a collaborative exercise with the West Semitic Research Project (University of Southern California) shooting specimens with RTI (Reflectance Transformation Imaging) technique. The results were spectacular. Here is a link to YouTube demonstrating this technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxJixqe5glI

 

You can find more information at the West Semitic Research Project website (http://wsrp.usc.edu/information/) and just searching the internet  This technique is good for showing any surface modification like cut, gnawing or trampling marks. It was used in studies of the Dead Sea scroll and it can be used in the field too. With some training, anyone can shoot specimens in the lab or in the field. The main drawback, in my opinion, is that it is time-consuming.

 

I'm keeping it short in this Email but if you need further information, feel free to contact me off list or in Ankara.

 

Best,

Aaron  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Department of Birds and Mammals

San Diego Natural History Museum
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I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief.

Sincerely

Haskel

Haskel Greenfield

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Dear Zooarchers,

 

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

 

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

 

Marie-Cécile Soulier

 

-----------

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Comments: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Marie-Cécile_Soulier?= <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000299e6e05701826ff" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000299e6e05701826ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello my experience is similar to what terry say. Light is the key and i use gooseneck led. And a canon on a stand with super macro MPe65 lens or other macro lens. Then you need to use Focus-stacking software. If you need to do lot of photo you can buy helicon focus with automatised rail ( stackshot) and see the résult direct on your computer. I can give you informations (phone) if you need and photo of my macrophotolabo... cheers 2018-07-02 16:36 GMT+02:00 Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]>: > Dear Zooarchers, > > What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of > cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone > already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? > > Thanks a lot and have a nice summer > > *Marie-Cécile Soulier* > > ----------- > PhD, Zooarchaeology > > *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier > * > > > *Agent contractuel CNRS* > TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C > > *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > -- J.H. Yvinec Archéozoologue INRAP, UMR 7209 Laboratoire d'archéozoologie de Compiègne, CRAVO, 17 rue James de Rothschild, 60200 Compiègne, France, tel : 33 (0)3 44 23 28 10 mobile : 06 51 87 70 77 www.inrap.fr Abonnez-vous à la lettre d’information de l'Inrap : *http://www.inrap.fr/newsletter.php* ________________________________________ visitez le site ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000299e6e05701826ff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello
my experience is similar to what terry say. Light is the key and i use gooseneck led. And a canon on a stand with super macro MPe65 lens or other macro lens. Then you need to use Focus-stacking software.
If you need to do lot of photo you can buy helicon focus with automatised rail ( stackshot) and see the résult direct on your computer.
I can give you informations (phone) if you need and photo of my macrophotolabo...
cheers


2018-07-02 16:36 GMT+02:00 Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]>:
Dear Zooarchers,

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

Marie-Cécile Soulier

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PhD, Zooarchaeology



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--000000000000299e6e05701826ff-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:23:17 +0200 Reply-To: jean-herve yvinec <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: jean-herve yvinec <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? Comments: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Marie-Cécile_Soulier?= <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cd1a980570183813" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000cd1a980570183813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ex of cut marks on young cat skull 2018-07-02 16:36 GMT+02:00 Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]>: > Dear Zooarchers, > > What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of > cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone > already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? > > Thanks a lot and have a nice summer > > *Marie-Cécile Soulier* > > ----------- > PhD, Zooarchaeology > > *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier > * > > > *Agent contractuel CNRS* > TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C > > *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > -- J.H. Yvinec Archéozoologue INRAP, UMR 7209 Laboratoire d'archéozoologie de Compiègne, CRAVO, 17 rue James de Rothschild, 60200 Compiègne, France, tel : 33 (0)3 44 23 28 10 mobile : 06 51 87 70 77 www.inrap.fr Abonnez-vous à la lettre d’information de l'Inrap : *http://www.inrap.fr/newsletter.php* ________________________________________ visitez le site ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000cd1a980570183813 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ex of cut marks on young cat skull

2018-07-02 16:36 GMT+02:00 Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]>:
Dear Zooarchers,

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

Marie-Cécile Soulier

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--000000000000cd1a980570183813-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2018 15:38:45 -0400 Reply-To: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Thanks for your thoughts, all. On 7/3/2018 8:36 AM, Haskel Greenfield wrote: > As I and others noted before, it is difficult without proper lighting > and magnification. Regular light optical microscopes and basic Dino > lites don’t produce accurate enough images for consistent analysis. > There is no substitute for high quality technology to do this kind of > analysis. Another option is to hook up with someone who has access to > better technology. Most are happy to provide access if you are willing > to coauthor with them. > Sincerely > Haskel > > Haskel Greenfield > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 3, 2018, at 2:47 PM, Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask] > > wrote: > >> What would everyone recommend for no- or low-budget cut mark >> photography? Should I just look into cameras with good macro zooms? I >> find myself in the position of wanting to prove to myself what I'm >> seeing on certain specimens (ones where you wouldn't expect them to >> be) are indeed cut marks and I'd like to take photographs. I've been >> told taking photos *through* a microscope's lens can be sufficient but >> I'm skeptical and have yet to try. >> >> Thanks, >> Allison >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2018, 3:15 AM Aaron Sasson <[log in to unmask] >> > wrote: >> >> Good morning Marie-Cécile,____ >> >> We did a collaborative exercise with the West Semitic Research >> Project (University of Southern California) shooting specimens >> with RTI (Reflectance Transformation Imaging) technique. The >> results were spectacular. Here is a link to YouTube demonstrating >> this technique: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxJixqe5glI____ >> >> __ __ >> >> You can find more information at the West Semitic Research Project >> website (http://wsrp.usc.edu/information/) and just searching the >> internet  This technique is good for showing any surface >> modification like cut, gnawing or trampling marks. It was used in >> studies of the Dead Sea scroll and it can be used in the field >> too. With some training, anyone can shoot specimens in the lab or >> in the field. The main drawback, in my opinion, is that it is >> time-consuming. ____ >> >> __ __ >> >> I'm keeping it short in this Email but if you need further >> information, feel free to contact me off list or in Ankara.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> Best, ____ >> >> Aaron ____ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------____ >> >> cid:image001.jpg@01D240CA.91FCF010____ >> >> >> >> Aharon Sasson, PhD >> Co-director, San Diego Zooarchaeology Laboratory >> Department of Birds and Mammals____ >> >> San Diego Natural History Museum >> 1788 El Prado, San Diego, CA 92101____ >> >> Tel: 858-228-8157 >> SDZL Website: http://sdnhm.org/sdzl/____ >> >> __ __ >> >> *P****Please consider the impact on the environment before >> printing this****message*____ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> *From:*Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites >> <[log in to unmask] > *On >> Behalf Of *Haskel Greenfield >> *Sent:* Monday, July 2, 2018 11:43 AM >> *To:* [log in to unmask] >> *Subject:* Re: [ZOOARCH] pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera?____ >> >> __ __ >> >> I have tried the Dino lite unsuccessfully. It flattens the image >> too much and distorts around the perimeter. I still prefer to use >> a SEM since it allows for accurate depictions is relief. ____ >> >> Sincerely____ >> >> Haskel____ >> >> Haskel Greenfield ____ >> >> Sent from my iPhone____ >> >> >> On Jul 2, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier >> <[log in to unmask] > wrote:____ >> >> Dear Zooarchers,____ >> >> __ __ >> >> What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality >> pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning >> close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can >> someone recommend a good camera?____ >> >> __ __ >> >> Thanks a lot and have a nice summer____ >> >> __ __ >> >> *Marie-Cécile Soulier* ____ >> >> __ __ >> >> -----------____ >> >> PhD, Zooarchaeology____ >> >> __ __ >> >> /https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier/____ >> >> __ __ >> >> __ __ >> >> /Agent contractuel CNRS/____ >> >> TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C____ >> >> __ __ >> >> *//**/N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin/*____ >> >> __ __ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> ____ >> >> __ __ >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ____ >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 14:42:27 +0200 Reply-To: Miguel Clavero <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Miguel Clavero <[log in to unmask]> Subject: pikeperch? Comments: cc: Francisco Blanco <[log in to unmask]>, Sergio Bedmar Castillo <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069c46305702bc312" Message-ID: [log in to unmask]> --00000000000069c46305702bc312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, we are working on the diet of the Eurasian otter by analysing its scats. In two different samples we have found remains of what seem a premaxilla and a dentary of young pikeperches (Sander lucioperca). Since we are not completely sure of the identification, we would be glad if any of the fish people in the list could have a look at the photographs in the link below https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1uewr38vvrm0lly/AAAF_4_pmHkyE_wAjNx1y_Ana?dl=0 Thank you very much Miguel Clavero Estación Biológica de Doñana-CSIC Sevilla, Spain *personal web page* *google scholar * NEW BLUES ALBUM available *HERE* ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --00000000000069c46305702bc312 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
we are working on the diet of the Eurasian otter by analysing its scats. In two different samples we have found remains of what seem a premaxilla and a dentary of young pikeperches (Sander lucioperca). Since we are not completely sure of the identification, we would be glad if any of the fish people in the list could have a look at the photographs in the link below


Thank you very much

Miguel Clavero
Estación Biológica de Doñana-CSIC
Sevilla, Spain
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--00000000000069c46305702bc312-- ========================================================================Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:08:27 +0100 Reply-To: Leif Jonsson <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Leif Jonsson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pikeperch? Comments: To: Miguel Clavero <[log in to unmask]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Hola, These elements are not from pikeperch. Picture 1 and 2 is a branchiospine from a perciform, I guess from a perch (Perca fluviatilis). Picture 3 and 4 is a dentary from a gadiform, likely a five-bearded rockling (Ciliata mustela). The dentary has acrodont teeth, similar sized and in three to four rows. The rockling is marine occurring beneath low tide. Is the otter scat from a costal locality? I have not checked the branchiospine against marine perciforms. Pikeperch does not have these long slender branchiospinae on the first gill arch. When you prepare comparative skeletons make sure that you collect the branchial spines, not just the larger branchial arch elements. Branchiospinae are often diagnostic to genus level, and even to species. Best wishes Leif Jonsson/ Gothenburg, Sweden ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 16:23:40 +0200 Reply-To: Miguel Clavero <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Miguel Clavero <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pikeperch? Comments: To: Leif Jonsson <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000069a82005702d2d91" Message-ID: [log in to unmask]> --00000000000069a82005702d2d91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Leif (and all) Thanks a lot for having a look and for the advice branchiospinae!s However, your identification seems unlikely. I am sorry for forgetting giving some environmental information. Scat samples come from a riverine-reservoir area in southern Spain, hundreds of kilometers from the sea. Gadiforms can be ruled out... Perca fluviatilis seems also highly unlikely. Although it has been introduced in several areas across the Iberian Peninsula, it is not known to be present in the south Most common perciforms in the study area are North-American pumpkinseed sunfish (Lepomis gibbosus) and largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides)... would they fit for the branchiospine? They certainly do not fit for the dentary... Cheers! Miguel Clavero Estación Biológica de Doñana-CSIC Sevilla, Spain *personal web page* *google scholar * NEW BLUES ALBUM available *HERE* 2018-07-04 16:08 GMT+02:00 Leif Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>: > Hola, > These elements are not from pikeperch. Picture 1 and 2 is a branchiospine > from a perciform, I guess from a perch (Perca fluviatilis). Picture 3 and 4 > is a dentary from a gadiform, likely a five-bearded rockling (Ciliata > mustela). The dentary has acrodont teeth, similar sized and in three to > four rows. The rockling is marine occurring beneath low tide. Is the otter > scat from a costal locality? I have not checked the branchiospine against > marine perciforms. Pikeperch does not have these long slender > branchiospinae on the first gill arch. > When you prepare comparative skeletons make sure that you collect the > branchial spines, not just the larger branchial arch elements. > Branchiospinae are often diagnostic to genus level, and even to species. > Best wishes > Leif Jonsson/ Gothenburg, Sweden > > > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --00000000000069a82005702d2d91 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Leif (and all)
Thanks a lot for having a look and for the advice branchiospinae!s
However, your identification seems unlikely. I am sorry for forgetting giving some environmental information. Scat samples come from a riverine-reservoir area in southern Spain, hundreds of kilometers from the sea. Gadiforms can be ruled out... Perca fluviatilis seems also highly unlikely. Although it has been introduced in several areas across the Iberian Peninsula, it is not known to be present in the south

Most common perciforms in the study area are North-American pumpkinseed sunfish (Lepomis gibbosus) and largemouth bass (Micropterus salmoides)... would they fit for the branchiospine? They certainly do not fit for the dentary...

Cheers!

Miguel Clavero
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Sevilla, Spain
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2018-07-04 16:08 GMT+02:00 Leif Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>:
Hola,
These elements are not from pikeperch. Picture 1 and 2 is a branchiospine from a perciform, I guess from a perch (Perca fluviatilis). Picture 3 and 4 is a dentary from a gadiform, likely a five-bearded rockling (Ciliata mustela). The dentary has acrodont teeth, similar sized and in three to four rows. The rockling is marine occurring beneath low tide. Is the otter scat from a costal locality? I have not checked the branchiospine against marine perciforms. Pikeperch does not have these long slender branchiospinae on the first gill arch.
When you prepare comparative skeletons make sure that you collect the branchial spines, not just the larger branchial arch elements. Branchiospinae are often diagnostic to genus level, and even to species.
Best wishes
Leif Jonsson/ Gothenburg, Sweden





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--00000000000069a82005702d2d91-- ========================================================================Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 08:30:22 +0200 Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Àngel_Blanco?= <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Àngel_Blanco?= <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009ccde205703aae67" Message-ID: [log in to unmask]> --0000000000009ccde205703aae67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear colleagues, Does anybody have a pdf of Salvelinus alpinus or genus Salvelinus Osteology? I appreciate any help about that. Thank you in advance All the best, Angel -- Àngel Blanco Lapaz Àrea de Paleontologia - Zoologia GEOTERNA SL [log in to unmask] http://sites.google.com/site/geoternasl/ http://geoternazoologia.blogspot.com/ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --0000000000009ccde205703aae67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear colleagues,



Does anybody have a pdf of Salvelinus alpinus or genus Salvelinus Osteology?  I appreciate any help about that.

Thank you in advance


All the best,

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--0000000000009ccde205703aae67-- ========================================================================Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2018 10:33:05 +0000 Reply-To: Jillian Garvey <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Jillian Garvey <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Question regarding Asian and African elephant radii MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_MEAPR01MB3239DDB3289E64534407DABAA3400MEAPR01MB3239ausp_" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_MEAPR01MB3239DDB3289E64534407DABAA3400MEAPR01MB3239ausp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear List, A couple of days ago I asked for assistance with the identification of a large long bone from a juvenile animal that had been excavated from a historical archaeology site near Melbourne, Australia. It has been suggested that it is the radius of a juvenile elephant. Are there any differences between the radius of the African and Asian elephant? We have the heavily fused radius/ulna (fused together at proximal and distal ends) in our collections from an adult elephant which is recorded as Elephas sp. However, in the photographs of articulated adult Asian and African elephants that I have seen the radius is isolated? Can this change according to the age of the elephant? Thanks, Jillian Dr Jillian Garvey ARC DECRA Fellow Department of Archaeology and History School of Humanities and Social Sciences | La Trobe University | Bundoora 3086 T: 03 9479 5082| F: 03 9479 1881 | M: 0438 009 661 | E: [log in to unmask] | www.latrobe.edu.au I work part time. My office hours are Monday, Tuesday and Thursday. I will respond to your email when I can. Facebook: Neds Corner Archaeology Project: https://www.facebook.com/groups/434743706655431/ Archaeology at La Trobe University: https://www.facebook.com/Archaeology-at-La-Trobe-University-1171712596197051/?fref=ts Twitter: @jillian_garvey @oz_zooarch Centre for the Study of the Inland: http://www.latrobe.edu.au/archaeology-and-history/research/centre-for-the-study-of-the-inland We are proud to acknowledge the Wurundjeri people of the Kulin Nation as the traditional custodians of the land on which La Trobe (Melbourne) is located. We acknowledge the traditional Aboriginal owners of country and pay our respect to them, their culture and their Elders past, present and future. CRICOS Provider 00115M Please kindly consider your environment before printing this e-mail Warning to recipients: This email and any attachments are confidential and subject to copyright. If you are not the intended recipient any use, disclosure or copying is unauthorised. If you have received this email in error please advise us immediately by reply email and delete all copies. It is your responsibility to examine this email and any attachments for viruses. Any personal information in this email must be handled in accordance with the Information Privacy Act 2000 (Vic). ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --_000_MEAPR01MB3239DDB3289E64534407DABAA3400MEAPR01MB3239ausp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear List,

 

A couple of days ago I asked for assistance with the identification of a large long bone from a juvenile animal that had been excavated from a historical archaeology site near Melbourne, Australia. It has been suggested that it is the radius of a juvenile elephant. Are there any differences between the radius of the African and Asian elephant? We have the heavily fused radius/ulna (fused together at proximal and distal ends) in our collections from an adult elephant which is recorded as Elephas sp. However, in the photographs of articulated adult Asian and African elephants that I have seen the radius is isolated? Can this change according to the age of the elephant?

 

Thanks,

Jillian

 

Dr Jillian Garvey

ARC DECRA Fellow
Department of Archaeology and History

School of Humanities and Social Sciences | La Trobe University | Bundoora 3086
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--_000_MEAPR01MB3239DDB3289E64534407DABAA3400MEAPR01MB3239ausp_-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 06:24:07 +0100 Reply-To: Teresa Steele <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Teresa Steele <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Information on sub-adult rodent skeletons? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> A biological anthropologist colleague is trying to find published drawings or data on postnatal mouse skeletal development. He has found that there is really very little available. People publish anatomical atlases of embryo development and of adults. Sub-adults are overlooked. He thought that zooarchaeologists might be able to help him. Does anyone know of any work with a decent amount of detail on identification and attribution of rodent remains? You can reply to me or to him directly: David Katz <[log in to unmask]> ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 19:21:21 +0000 Reply-To: Andrea Palmiotto <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Andrea Palmiotto <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Horton 1984 article MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_289185_1624289844.1530904881300" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> ------=_Part_289185_1624289844.1530904881300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all,Am looking for a copy of  Horton, D (1984) Minimum Numbers: A Consideration in Journal of Archaeological Sciences 11(3):255-271. My library does not have online access to this.Thanks.AP ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ------=_Part_289185_1624289844.1530904881300 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi all,
Am looking for a copy of 

Horton, D (1984) Minimum Numbers: A Consideration in Journal of Archaeological Sciences 11(3):255-271.

My library does not have online access to this.
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------=_Part_289185_1624289844.1530904881300-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2018 16:22:37 -0400 Reply-To: Andrea Palmiotto <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Andrea Palmiotto <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Horton 1984 article In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-AACC7836-7D4F-4817-8855-2AB2A11BC2EB Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail-AACC7836-7D4F-4817-8855-2AB2A11BC2EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks all Sent from my iPhone On Jul 6, 2018, at 15:21, Andrea Palmiotto <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Hi all, Am looking for a copy of Horton, D (1984) Minimum Numbers: A Consideration in Journal of Archaeological Sciences 11(3):255-271. My library does not have online access to this. Thanks. AP To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail-AACC7836-7D4F-4817-8855-2AB2A11BC2EB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks all

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Hi all,
Am looking for a copy of 

Horton, D (1984) Minimum Numbers: A Consideration in Journal of Archaeological Sciences 11(3):255-271.

My library does not have online access to this.
Thanks.
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Dear Zooarch:


  I hope everyone's summer is going well. I have a pdf request for the group:


 Grigson C. 1995. Cattle Keepers of the Northern Negev: Animal Remains from the Chalcolithic
 Site of Grar. In I. Gilead. Grar: A Chalcolithic Site in the Northern Negev (Beer-Sheva 7). Beer Sheva. Pp. 377452.

  
  Many thanks in advance.

 
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--_000_SC1P152MB04301D524FD104EEC40A6DBFBF460SC1P152MB0430LAMP_-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2018 14:25:52 +0100 Reply-To: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: fuel Comments: To: George Hambrecht <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5B157D24-CCFA-4FFD-8E47-F4904E4FFB45" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail=_5B157D24-CCFA-4FFD-8E47-F4904E4FFB45 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii That would be most kind Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > On 6 Jul 2018, at 13:41, George Hambrecht <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > Hi Salima, > > I wanted to echo Leif's comments and then mention a possible example of whale bone being used as a fuel at a 17th century site in southern Iceland. The pub will be out soon and I will send it to you once it is. > > George > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask] > wrote: > hmmm. interesting > > Salima Ikram > Distinguished University Professor > Egyptology Unit Head > Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology > American University in Cairo > AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 > New Cairo 11835 > [log in to unmask] , [log in to unmask] > tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 28 Jun 2018, at 19:51, Anaya Sarpaki <[log in to unmask] > wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> The conversation with bone used as fuel is very interesting! When the wood is burnt and turned into ash, it produces potassium which was used ethnographically in Greece for disinfecting and making clothes whiter when washed. I wonder whether the burning of wood does produce ask with certain qualities or distinctive characteristics which could be detected by analysing the ash if bones are totally burnt? >> >> Anaya Sarpaki >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask] > On Behalf Of Leif Jonsson >> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:47 PM >> To: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] fuel >> >> Dear Salima >> >> Bone as fuel is mentioned by the swedish archbishop Olaus Magnus in his monumental work on the life of the nordic peolples, Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus printed in Rome 1555. In the twentyfirst book, chapter twenty he describes how people in the far north (i.e.north of Trondheim in western Norway), where the climate and stormy winds stopped trees from growing there, used bones from whales and dried fish heads as a substitute for wood in their fires. (Fish in OM:s vocabulary can mean smaller whales, seals as well as proper fish.) In a commentary to the text edition in swedish John Granlund writes that fresh whale bones combined with dried peat/turf were used as fuel still in the beginning of the 20th century in the Faroe Islands (Annandale 1905 p. 36 ff). Graham Clark (1947 p. 99 ff) says that this use had parallels among palaeolithic mammoth hunters. >> >> (Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus was a monumental work by Olaus Magnus on the Nordic countries, printed in Rome 1555.[1] It was a work which long remained for the rest of Europe the authority on Swedish matters. Its popularity increased by the numerous woodcuts of people and their customs, amazing the rest of Europe. It is still today a valuable repertory of much curious information in regard to Scandinavian customs and folklore. >> It was translated into Italian (1565), German (1567), English (1658) and Dutch (1665). Abridgments of the work appeared also at Antwerp (1558 and 1562), Paris (1561), Basel (1567), Amsterdam (1586), Frankfurt (1618) and Leiden (1652). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Description_of_the_Northern_Peoples ) >> >> Annandale, N., 1905. The Faroes and Iceland. Oxford. >> Clark, J.G.D, 1947. Whales as an economic factor in prehistoric Europe. Antiquity XXI). >> >> Leif Jonsson / Gothenburg, Sweden >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > -- > George Hambrecht > Anthropology Department > University of Maryland, College Park > 0111 Woods Hall > email - [log in to unmask] > phone - 301-405-1002 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail=_5B157D24-CCFA-4FFD-8E47-F4904E4FFB45 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii That would be most kind

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On 6 Jul 2018, at 13:41, George Hambrecht <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Salima,

I wanted to echo Leif's comments and then mention a possible example of whale bone being used as a fuel at a 17th century site in southern Iceland. The pub will be out soon and I will send it to you once it is.

George

On Sun, Jul 1, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
hmmm. interesting

Salima Ikram
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On 28 Jun 2018, at 19:51, Anaya Sarpaki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Dear All,

The conversation with bone used as fuel is very interesting! When the wood is burnt and turned into ash, it produces potassium which was used ethnographically in Greece for disinfecting and making clothes whiter when washed. I wonder whether the burning of wood does produce ask with certain qualities or distinctive characteristics which could be detected by analysing the ash if bones are totally burnt?

Anaya Sarpaki

-----Original Message-----
From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> On Behalf Of Leif Jonsson
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [ZOOARCH] fuel

Dear Salima

Bone as fuel is mentioned by the swedish archbishop Olaus Magnus in his monumental work on the life of the nordic peolples, Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus printed in Rome 1555. In the twentyfirst book, chapter twenty he describes how people in the far north (i.e.north of Trondheim in western Norway), where the climate and stormy winds stopped trees from growing there, used bones from whales and dried fish heads as a substitute for wood in their fires. (Fish in OM:s vocabulary can mean smaller whales, seals as well as proper fish.) In a commentary to the text edition in swedish John Granlund writes that fresh whale bones combined with dried peat/turf were used as fuel still in the beginning of the 20th century in the Faroe Islands (Annandale 1905 p. 36 ff). Graham Clark (1947 p. 99 ff) says that this use had parallels among palaeolithic mammoth hunters.

(Historia de Gentibus Septentrionalibus was a monumental work by Olaus Magnus on the Nordic countries, printed in Rome 1555.[1] It was a work which long remained for the rest of Europe the authority on Swedish matters. Its popularity increased by the numerous woodcuts of people and their customs, amazing the rest of Europe. It is still today a valuable repertory of much curious information in regard to Scandinavian customs and folklore.
It was translated into Italian (1565), German (1567), English (1658) and Dutch (1665). Abridgments of the work appeared also at Antwerp (1558 and 1562), Paris (1561), Basel (1567), Amsterdam (1586), Frankfurt (1618) and Leiden (1652). (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Description_of_the_Northern_Peoples)

Annandale, N., 1905. The Faroes and Iceland. Oxford.
Clark, J.G.D, 1947. Whales as an economic factor in prehistoric Europe. Antiquity XXI).

Leif Jonsson / Gothenburg, Sweden

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--Apple-Mail=_5B157D24-CCFA-4FFD-8E47-F4904E4FFB45-- ========================================================================Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2018 18:22:21 +0100 Reply-To: Justin Cramb <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Justin Cramb <[log in to unmask]> Subject: 2019 FRWG Portland, Oregon, USA August 26-30, 2019. Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Dear Colleagues, As you may be aware-- the 2019 meeting of the ICAZ Fish Remains Working Group is taking place in Portland, Oregon, USA on August 26th-30th, 2019. We've created a website- www.2019frwg.com -which we invite you to visit. Online registration will be available soon- along with information on lodging and field trips. So, please visit the new website to learn more about the meeting and be sure to mark your calendars for August 26th through 30th, 2019. Also, please spread the word to anyone that may be interested. We'd love to see you in Portland Best, The 2019 FRWG organizing committee: Virginia Butler (Portland State Univ.) Justin Cramb (Univ. of Georgia) Jen Harland (Univ. of the Highlands and Islands) Iain McKechnie (Univ. of Victoria) Madonna Moss (Univ. of Oregon) Betsy Reitz (Univ. of Georgia) ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:08:55 +0100 Reply-To: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> Subject: query Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8D609B16-DF02-4EB0-BD06-6BA9210EBBC0" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --Apple-Mail=_8D609B16-DF02-4EB0-BD06-6BA9210EBBC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Chaps Are there any good websites with bones of rodents found in north africa (Egypt, esp) and the Levant? I can’t seem to find anything, but I am a luddite! best S Salima Ikram Distinguished University Professor Egyptology Unit Head Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology American University in Cairo AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 New Cairo 11835 [log in to unmask], [log in to unmask] tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --Apple-Mail=_8D609B16-DF02-4EB0-BD06-6BA9210EBBC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Chaps

Are there any good websites with bones of rodents found in north africa (Egypt, esp) and the Levant? I can’t seem to find anything, but I am a luddite!

best

S

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--Apple-Mail=_8D609B16-DF02-4EB0-BD06-6BA9210EBBC0-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:49:56 +0100 Reply-To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Subject: butchered cat scapulae MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------88E54874E6839365616CF781" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------88E54874E6839365616CF781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. Many thanks, Julia -- *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* Archaeozoologist *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating address. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------88E54874E6839365616CF781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------88E54874E6839365616CF781-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 14:59:02 +0100 Reply-To: Julie Curl <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Julie Curl <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dfd3ec0570e1e181" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000dfd3ec0570e1e181 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Julia, I have a cat skeleton from a medieval friary site that has been skinned and there are cuts on the scapula, which surprised me too. It might be possible that if there was a shortage of meat for a dog or another cat, then perhaps the meat might be used. I have always assumed it is feral cats that are rounded up and skinned and as there is clearly no sentiments involved with skinning, they may as well use the meat too. Best wishes Julie On 13 Jul 2018 2:51 pm, "Julia Cussans" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Hello All, > > Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any > references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an > unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks > on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be > unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. > > Many thanks, > > Julia > -- > > > > > *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* > Archaeozoologist > > > > > *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St > Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ. 01284 765 210 > *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 > 5AF. 01462 850 483 > *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 > 9EN. Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is > confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or > entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the > originating address. > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-495526227240899899_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000dfd3ec0570e1e181 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Julia,

I have a cat skeleton from a medieval friary site that has been skinned and there are cuts on the scapula, which surprised me too. It might be possible that if there was a shortage of meat for a dog or another cat, then perhaps the meat might be used. I have always assumed it is feral cats that are rounded up and skinned and as there is clearly no sentiments involved with skinning, they may as well use the meat too.

Best wishes Julie 

On 13 Jul 2018 2:51 pm, "Julia Cussans" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--000000000000dfd3ec0570e1e181-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 16:13:14 +0200 Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Herbert_Böhm?= <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Herbert_Böhm?= <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: query Comments: To: Salima Ikram <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------6DD2424F32AB79E996F78B3E" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6DD2424F32AB79E996F78B3E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dea Salima, maybe this website helps: http://projects.biodiversity.be/africanrodentia/ cheers Herbert Am 13.07.2018 um 15:08 schrieb Salima Ikram: > Chaps > > Are there any good websites with bones of rodents found in north > africa (Egypt, esp) and the Levant? I can’t seem to find anything, but > I am a luddite! > > best > > S > > Salima Ikram > Distinguished University Professor > Egyptology Unit Head > Department of Sociology, Egyptology & Anthropology > American University in Cairo > AUC Avenue, PO Box 74 > New Cairo 11835 > [log in to unmask] , > [log in to unmask] > tel: 20-2-2615-1840; fax: 20-2-2797-4903 > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > -- Mag. Herbert Böhm VIAS-Vienna Institute for Archaeological Science Archaeozoology c/o Department of Palaeontology University of Vienna - UZA II/Geozentrum Althanstrasse 14 A-1090 Wien Österreich Tel: ++43-1-4277 40306 Fax: ++43-1-4277 9535 http://vias.univie.ac.at/home/ ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------6DD2424F32AB79E996F78B3E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dea Salima,
maybe this website helps:
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Are there any good websites with bones of rodents found in north africa (Egypt, esp) and the Levant? I can’t seem to find anything, but I am a luddite!

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--------------6DD2424F32AB79E996F78B3E-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 15:44:42 +0100 Reply-To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: Julie Curl <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B7698A2D715D7755EC10F160" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------B7698A2D715D7755EC10F160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Julie, that is interesting. Do you have any more detail on the location of the cut marks on the scapula? Are they on the main part of the blade, or on the neck or the articulation? Best wishes, Julia *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* Archaeozoologist *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating address. On 13/07/2018 14:59, Julie Curl wrote: > Hello Julia, > > I have a cat skeleton from a medieval friary site that has been > skinned and there are cuts on the scapula, which surprised me too. It > might be possible that if there was a shortage of meat for a dog or > another cat, then perhaps the meat might be used. I have always > assumed it is feral cats that are rounded up and skinned and as there > is clearly no sentiments involved with skinning, they may as well use > the meat too. > > Best wishes Julie > > On 13 Jul 2018 2:51 pm, "Julia Cussans" > <[log in to unmask] > > wrote: > > Hello All, > > Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any > references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that > this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for > finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of > skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I > just thought I'd ask. > > Many thanks, > > Julia > > -- > > > > > *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* > Archaeozoologist > > > > > *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St > Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 > *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, > SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 > *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 > 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any > attachments is confidential information intended only for the use > of individuals or entities named above. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in > error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating > address. > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#m_-495526227240899899_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------B7698A2D715D7755EC10F160 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many thanks Julie, that is interesting. Do you have any more detail on the location of the cut marks on the scapula? Are they on the main part of the blade, or on the neck or the articulation?

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On 13/07/2018 14:59, Julie Curl wrote:
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Hello Julia,

I have a cat skeleton from a medieval friary site that has been skinned and there are cuts on the scapula, which surprised me too. It might be possible that if there was a shortage of meat for a dog or another cat, then perhaps the meat might be used. I have always assumed it is feral cats that are rounded up and skinned and as there is clearly no sentiments involved with skinning, they may as well use the meat too.

Best wishes Julie 

On 13 Jul 2018 2:51 pm, "Julia Cussans" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------B7698A2D715D7755EC10F160-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:08:50 +0200 Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Marta_Moreno_García?= <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Marta_Moreno_García?= <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B7725DABF206802C3BD6E4CD" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --------------B7725DABF206802C3BD6E4CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all, You can have a look at the paper I published with Rosemary Luff in 1995 entitled "Killing cats in the medieval period. An unusual episode in the history of Cambridge, England". Archaeofauna 4, pp.93-114. Figure 18 shows three cat scapulae with chop marks through their necks. Here it is the link: https://www.academia.edu/1061079/LUFF_R._M._MORENO-GARC%C3%8DA_M._1995_._Killing_cats_in_the_Medieval_Period._An_unusual_episode_in_the_history_of_Cambridge_England._Archaeofauna_4_93-114 Best, Marta El 13/07/2018 a las 15:49, Julia Cussans escribió: > > Hello All, > > Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any > references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this > is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding > butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that > scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. > > Many thanks, > > Julia > > -- > > > > > *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* > Archaeozoologist > > > > > *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St > Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 > *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, > SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 > *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 > 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments > is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals > or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail at the originating address. > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------B7725DABF206802C3BD6E4CD Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Dear all,

You can have a look at the paper I published with Rosemary Luff in 1995 entitled "Killing cats in the medieval period. An unusual episode in the history of Cambridge, England". Archaeofauna 4, pp.93-114. Figure 18 shows three cat scapulae with chop marks through their necks.

Here it is the link:

https://www.academia.edu/1061079/LUFF_R._M._MORENO-GARC%C3%8DA_M._1995_._Killing_cats_in_the_Medieval_Period._An_unusual_episode_in_the_history_of_Cambridge_England._Archaeofauna_4_93-114

Best,
Marta

El 13/07/2018 a las 15:49, Julia Cussans escribió:
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Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------B7725DABF206802C3BD6E4CD-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2018 16:11:16 +0100 Reply-To: "V. Rajkovaca" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: "V. Rajkovaca" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Marta_Moreno_García?= <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> You beat me to it...and we have the bone here at the CAU! I still find the butchered cats from medieval Cambridge contexts. Mandibles and skulls with cut marks are particularly lovely. My best to all, Vida --- Vida Rajkovača Project Officer / Zooarchaeologist Cambridge Archaeological Unit Department of Archaeology, University of Cambridge 34a Storey's way CB3 0DT Cambridge +44 1223 327802 On 2018-07-13 16:08, Marta Moreno García wrote: > Dear all, > > You can have a look at the paper I published with Rosemary Luff in > 1995 entitled "Killing cats in the medieval period. An unusual episode > in the history of Cambridge, England". Archaeofauna 4, pp.93-114. > Figure 18 shows three cat scapulae with chop marks through their > necks. > > Here it is the link: > > > https://www.academia.edu/1061079/LUFF_R._M._MORENO-GARC%C3%8DA_M._1995_._Killing_cats_in_the_Medieval_Period._An_unusual_episode_in_the_history_of_Cambridge_England._Archaeofauna_4_93-114 > [6] > > Best, > Marta > > El 13/07/2018 a las 15:49, Julia Cussans escribió: > >> Hello All, >> >> Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any >> references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this >> is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding >> butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and >> that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought >> I'd ask. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Julia >> >> -- >> >> DR JULIA E. M. CUSSANS >> Archaeozoologist >> >> [1] [2] [3] >> BURY ST EDMUNDS: 6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St >> Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ. 01284 765 210 >> SHEFFORD: PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, >> SG17 5AF. 01462 850 483 >> WARE: Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 >> 9EN. Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >> >> The information contained in this e-mail message and any >> attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of >> individuals or entities named above. 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Rajkovaca" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------28FAA878AEE48DEA28319B5C" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------28FAA878AEE48DEA28319B5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks Marta and Vida, that's great. Have a great weekend everyone! Julia *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* Archaeozoologist *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating address. On 13/07/2018 16:11, V. Rajkovaca wrote: > You beat me to it...and we have the bone here at the CAU! I still find > the butchered cats from medieval Cambridge contexts. Mandibles and > skulls with cut marks are particularly lovely. > My best to all, > Vida > > --- > Vida Rajkovača > Project Officer / Zooarchaeologist > Cambridge Archaeological Unit > Department of Archaeology, University of Cambridge > 34a Storey's way > CB3 0DT > Cambridge > >  +44 1223 327802 > > On 2018-07-13 16:08, Marta Moreno García wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> You can have a look at the paper I published with Rosemary Luff in >> 1995 entitled "Killing cats in the medieval period. An unusual episode >> in the history of Cambridge, England". Archaeofauna 4, pp.93-114. >> Figure 18 shows three cat scapulae with chop marks through their >> necks. >> >> Here it is the link: >> >> >> https://www.academia.edu/1061079/LUFF_R._M._MORENO-GARC%C3%8DA_M._1995_._Killing_cats_in_the_Medieval_Period._An_unusual_episode_in_the_history_of_Cambridge_England._Archaeofauna_4_93-114 >> >> [6] >> >> Best, >>  Marta >> >>  El 13/07/2018 a las 15:49, Julia Cussans escribió: >> >>> Hello All, >>> >>> Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any >>> references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this >>> is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding >>> butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and >>> that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought >>> I'd ask. >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Julia >>> >>> -- >>> >>> DR JULIA E. M. 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Many thanks Marta and Vida, that's great.

Have a great weekend everyone!

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On 13/07/2018 16:11, V. Rajkovaca wrote:
[log in to unmask]">You beat me to it...and we have the bone here at the CAU! I still find the butchered cats from medieval Cambridge contexts. Mandibles and skulls with cut marks are particularly lovely.
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On 2018-07-13 16:08, Marta Moreno García wrote:
Dear all,

You can have a look at the paper I published with Rosemary Luff in
1995 entitled "Killing cats in the medieval period. An unusual episode
in the history of Cambridge, England". Archaeofauna 4, pp.93-114.
Figure 18 shows three cat scapulae with chop marks through their
necks.

Here it is the link:


https://www.academia.edu/1061079/LUFF_R._M._MORENO-GARC%C3%8DA_M._1995_._Killing_cats_in_the_Medieval_Period._An_unusual_episode_in_the_history_of_Cambridge_England._Archaeofauna_4_93-114
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Best,
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 El 13/07/2018 a las 15:49, Julia Cussans escribió:

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any
references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this
is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding
butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and
that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought
I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------28FAA878AEE48DEA28319B5C-- ========================================================================Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2018 12:09:20 +0100 Reply-To: Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F2104AF50073EA5CE30B91F9" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F2104AF50073EA5CE30B91F9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states: Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away. The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the purchaser did not know it! Peta. On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote: > > Hello All, > > Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any > references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this > is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding > butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that > scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. > > Many thanks, > > Julia > > -- > > > > > *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* > Archaeozoologist > > > > > *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St > Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 > *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, > SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 > *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 > 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments > is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals > or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the > intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail at the originating address. > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --------------F2104AF50073EA5CE30B91F9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states:

Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away.

The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the purchaser did not know it!

Peta.


On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote:
[log in to unmask]">

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------F2104AF50073EA5CE30B91F9-- ========================================================================Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 05:24:51 -0400 Reply-To: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat tibia, horse (America) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a0a56505710649b4" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000a0a56505710649b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" For what it's worth, and though it is a few hundred years later and on a different continent, I'm convinced I have several parallel slices on the lower-mid cranial shaft of a confirmed cat tibia, from 19th century Philadelphia. The same exact cut was found on a horse tibia. Other, typical food species in the assemblage have many more parallel "meal slices" on the tibial foreshaft. I honestly thought I was seeing things (have yet to do research on the matter) but now, I'm wondering. (I have plans to closely photograph these less likely cut marks). Allison Grunwald, PhD Visiting Scholar, Rutgers University-Camden [log in to unmask] On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 7:12 AM Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states: > > Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is > remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold > without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid > deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). > Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away. > > The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the > purchaser did not know it! > > Peta. > > On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote: > > Hello All, > > Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any > references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an > unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks > on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be > unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. > > Many thanks, > > Julia > -- > > > > > *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* > Archaeozoologist > > > > > *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St > Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ. 01284 765 210 > *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 > 5AF. 01462 850 483 > *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 > 9EN. Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 > > Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail > > The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is > confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or > entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or > copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received > this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the > originating address. > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_125734528590790340_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000a0a56505710649b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For what it's worth, and though it is a few hundred years later and on a different continent, I'm convinced I have several parallel slices on the lower-mid cranial shaft of a confirmed cat tibia, from 19th century Philadelphia. The same exact cut was found on a horse tibia. Other, typical food species in the assemblage have many more parallel "meal slices" on the tibial foreshaft. I honestly thought I was seeing things (have yet to do research on the matter) but now, I'm wondering.

(I have plans to closely photograph these less likely cut marks).

Allison Grunwald, PhD
Visiting Scholar, Rutgers University-Camden




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 7:12 AM Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states:

Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away.

The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the purchaser did not know it!

Peta.


On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote:

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--000000000000a0a56505710649b4-- ========================================================================Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2018 05:29:24 -0400 Reply-To: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat tibia, horse (America) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eba6010571065970" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000eba6010571065970 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" (correcting myself, my assemblage's typical tibial meal slice cut marks run along the caudal shaft of meal waste bones) On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 5:24 AM Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > For what it's worth, and though it is a few hundred years later and on a > different continent, I'm convinced I have several parallel slices on the > lower-mid cranial shaft of a confirmed cat tibia, from 19th century > Philadelphia. The same exact cut was found on a horse tibia. Other, typical > food species in the assemblage have many more parallel "meal slices" on the > tibial foreshaft. I honestly thought I was seeing things (have yet to do > research on the matter) but now, I'm wondering. > > (I have plans to closely photograph these less likely cut marks). > > Allison Grunwald, PhD > Visiting Scholar, Rutgers University-Camden > [log in to unmask] > > > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 7:12 AM Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states: >> >> Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is >> remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold >> without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid >> deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). >> Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away. >> >> The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the >> purchaser did not know it! >> >> Peta. >> >> On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any >> references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an >> unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks >> on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be >> unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask. >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Julia >> -- >> >> >> >> >> *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* >> Archaeozoologist >> >> >> >> >> *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St >> Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ. 01284 765 210 >> *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 >> 5AF. 01462 850 483 >> *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 >> 9EN. Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 >> >> Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail >> >> The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is >> confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or >> entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended >> recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or >> copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received >> this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the >> originating address. >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> <#m_3281706423342897265_m_125734528590790340_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 >> > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000eba6010571065970 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
(correcting myself, my assemblage's typical tibial meal slice cut marks run along the caudal shaft of meal waste bones)

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 5:24 AM Allison Grunwald <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
For what it's worth, and though it is a few hundred years later and on a different continent, I'm convinced I have several parallel slices on the lower-mid cranial shaft of a confirmed cat tibia, from 19th century Philadelphia. The same exact cut was found on a horse tibia. Other, typical food species in the assemblage have many more parallel "meal slices" on the tibial foreshaft. I honestly thought I was seeing things (have yet to do research on the matter) but now, I'm wondering.

(I have plans to closely photograph these less likely cut marks).

Allison Grunwald, PhD
Visiting Scholar, Rutgers University-Camden




On Sat, Jul 14, 2018, 7:12 AM Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states:

Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away.

The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the purchaser did not know it!

Peta.


On 13/07/2018 14:49, Julia Cussans wrote:

Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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Full Generalized Procrustes Analysis. 2.6.3. Partial Generalized Procrustes Analysis. 2.6.4. Dimensionality of Superimposed Coordinates. Wednesday, January 23rd, 2019. 2.7. Exploring Shape Variation and Testing Hypotheses. 2.7.1. PCA. 2.7.2. Multivariate Linear Modelling (Multivariate Regression and MANOVA). 2.7.3. Allometry free approaches (Burnaby correction). 2.7.4. Linear discriminant and Canonical Analysis. 3. Outlines. 3.1. Acquiring outline Data in R. 3.2. Fourier Analysis. 3.2.1. Principles. 3.2.2. Fourier Analysis of the Tangent Angle. 3.2.3. Radius Fourier Analysis. 3.2.4. Elliptic Fourier Analysis. 3.2.5. Reduction of Shape Variables. 3.2.6. Statistical Analysis of Shape Variation with Fourier Analysis. 3.2.6.1. Exploring Shape Variation and Testing Hypotheses. 3.2.6.2. PCA. 3.2.6.3. Multivariate Linear Modelling (Multivariate Regression and MANOVA). 3.2.6.4. Canonical Analysis. Thursday, January 24th, 2019. 3.3. Combining Landmarks and Curves. 3.3.1. 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Spain www.icp.cat     ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:31:02 +0100 Reply-To: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Julia Cussans <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: butchered cat scapulae Comments: To: Peta Sadler <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F286CA20FD6C5B1A514A1D81" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F286CA20FD6C5B1A514A1D81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Many thanks to all those who replied to my cat butchery query. Looks like they were consumed far more than I had imagined! Interesting stuff. Best wishes, Julia *Dr Julia E. M. Cussans* Archaeozoologist *Bury St Edmunds: *6 Brunel Business Court, Eastern Way, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, IP32 7AJ.  01284 765 210 *Shefford: *PI House, r/o 23 Clifton Road, Shefford, Bedfordshire, SG17 5AF.  01462 850 483 *Ware: *Sucklings Yard, Church Street, Ware, Hertfordshire, SG12 9EN.  Mon, Weds & Thurs: 01920 469 090 Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail The information contained in this e-mail message and any attachments is confidential information intended only for the use of individuals or entities named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail at the originating address. 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Many thanks to all those who replied to my cat butchery query. Looks like they were consumed far more than I had imagined! Interesting stuff.

Best wishes,

Julia





Dr Julia E. M. Cussans
Archaeozoologist


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Elisabeth Schmid in Atlas of Animal Bones 1972, pg 36, states:

Among the numerous hare bones, the quantity of footbones is remarkable....As is the case today, already in Roman times hares were sold without fur, but with the fur still on their paws. This was done to avoid deception with cats (in Germany and Switzerland known as 'roof hare'). Before roasting the paws were cut off and thrown away.

The practice of eating cat must have been fairly common, even if the purchaser did not know it!

Peta.


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Hello All,

Does anyone know of any examples of butchered cat scapulae? Any references, images, thoughts welcome. My instincts tell me that this is an unlikely occurrence given that the main reason for finding butchery marks on cat bones would be as a result of skinning and that scapulae would be unlikely to be affected, but I just thought I'd ask.

Many thanks,

Julia

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--------------F286CA20FD6C5B1A514A1D81-- ========================================================================Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2018 08:03:58 +0000 Reply-To: Benjamin Greet <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Benjamin Greet <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Ivory in the Bronze Age Levant Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AM4PR01MB1892317BA3F46014C856F56EA1530AM4PR01MB1892eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_AM4PR01MB1892317BA3F46014C856F56EA1530AM4PR01MB1892eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning, I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there has been hippopotamus or elephant bones recovered from the pre-historic period in the Levant? I'm trying to find any evidence of whether they were part of the ecology of the Levant in that period. Many thanks for any help, Ben Greet Dr Ben Greet | Post-Doctoral Research Assistant | People & Birds in the Southern Levant Project Department of Archaeology SAGES University of Reading Reading RG6 6AB Email: [log in to unmask] ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --_000_AM4PR01MB1892317BA3F46014C856F56EA1530AM4PR01MB1892eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Good morning, 


I'm wondering if anyone knows whether there has been hippopotamus or elephant bones recovered from the pre-historic period in the Levant? I'm trying to find any evidence of whether they were part of the ecology of the Levant in that period. 


Many thanks for any help, 


Ben Greet


Dr Ben Greet | Post-Doctoral Research Assistant | People & Birds in the Southern Levant Project 
 
Department of Archaeology
SAGES
University of Reading
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--_000_AM4PR01MB1892317BA3F46014C856F56EA1530AM4PR01MB1892eurp_-- ========================================================================Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:51:19 -0400 Reply-To: John Speth <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: John Speth <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Fwd: FW: Job Posting: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology, Arizona State Museum, University of Arizona In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007ccba805715c2673" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --0000000000007ccba805715c2673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable FYI Zooarch Position ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Lisa Young <[log in to unmask]> Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:44 AM Subject: Fwd: FW: Job Posting: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology, Arizona State Museum, University of Arizona To: John Speth <[log in to unmask]> Do you know anyone who might be interested in a job curating the faunal collections at the ASM? If so, see info below to pass on to them. *Lisa C. Young, Ph.D.* *University of Michigan* *Department of Anthropology* *1085 South University * *Ann Arbor, MI 48109 -1107* *https://umich.academia.edu/LisaCYoung * *Lecturer IV, office: 231a West Hall* *From:* [log in to unmask] < [log in to unmask]> *On Behalf Of *Lehman, Catherine M - (cml) *Sent:* Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:56 PM *To:* [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask] zona.edu>; [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask] edu>; [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> *Subject:* [anthro-core-fac] Job Posting: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology, Arizona State Museum, University of Arizona All, I am writing to you with an update on the ASM Zooarchaeology position. As you may recall we hosted several candidates last Spring for the position of Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology in ASM. We offered the position to one of the finalists. It was initially accepted, then later rescinded due to unanticipated circumstances (hence my current update). We have therefore reposted the position (as a 1.0 FTE, continuing eligible position) and will be advertising and seeking quality candidates to again bring to campus to interview this coming spring semester. The hiring committee will be composed of the same representatives (Chair: Watson; Members: Eckert, Higgins, and Stiner). *Please share the following job post widely* and direct any questions you may have, or receive, to me. Thank you all for your support in the previous search. I look forward to a new batch of exciting and qualified candidates for this round. Thank you, Jim Watson *------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------* *Job Title:* Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology (1.0 FTE) *Posting Number:* F21531 *Job Description:* The Assistant Curator of Zooarchaeology is a continuing-eligible Academic Professional position functioning in the Research Division of the Arizona State Museum (ASM) at the University of Arizona (UA). The incumbent provides curatorial oversight for the comparative zooarchaeological collections (modern, non-human animal skeletal collections) housed at ASM and facilitates access to these collections for the purposes of research and education. The incumbent also conducts sponsored research and prepares publications in zooarchaeology, with an emphasis on the US Southwest and northern Mexico. Other duties include community outreach, contributing to museum exhibits and programming, teaching and mentoring students, committee service within ASM and UA, and review of applications for paleontological permits issued by ASM. The ideal candidate for this position will take a proactive approach to management of the ASM Zooarchaeological Collections and engage with the public as part of the Museum’s and UA’s mandate as a land grant institution. They will be an innovative and motivated researcher with a productive research program. They will also actively seek initiatives to improve the functioning of the lab and facilitate researcher and student interactions with the collections. We are looking for someone who is eager to apply new ideas to an old collection and develop stimulating new ways of interacting with the public and exciting them about ASM, UA, and what one can learn from zooarchaeology. Centrally located on the University of Arizona campus, just a few steps from the U of A Main Gate at Park Avenue and University Boulevard, the museum has something for everyone of every age. ASM is the preeminent institution engaged in the anthropology and history of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico. Our researchers are leaders in all areas of Southwestern anthropology, sought after the world over for their expertise. Our unparalleled collections are accessed continuously through tours, research, teaching, and exhibits. This is where groundbreaking research is conducted and where visitors have authentic, life-enriching encounters with the region’s enduring cultures through our public programs. With more than $622 million in research and development dollars from federal, state, and private sources, The University of Arizona currently ranks #23 among public universities in the US in overall research expenditures and #6 in physical science research. With world class faculty in fields as diverse as astronomy and space exploration, plant science, biomedical science and biotechnology, anthropology, Native peoples, business, law, philosophy, music, and dance, the UA is one of only 62 members in the Association of American Universities. The University’s main campus is situated in the heart of Tucson. Surrounded by mountains and the high Sonoran Desert, Tucson boasts a distinctive southwestern feel and enjoys more than 300 days of sunshine each year. The UA today has over 43,000 students, and nearly 15,600 employees. The main campus has grown from its original 40 acres to more than 350 acres, and boasts the oldest continually maintained green space in Arizona. The University of Arizona offers a broad range of educational programs and support services that attract an excellent and diverse student body. *Outstanding UA benefits include health, dental, and vision insurance plans; life insurance and disability programs; paid vacation, sick leave, and holidays; UA/ASU/NAU tuition reduction for the employee and qualified family members; state and optional retirement plans; access to UA recreation and cultural activities; and more!* The University of Arizona has been listed by Forbes as one of America’s Best Employers in the United States and WorldatWork and the Arizona Department of Health Services have recognized us for our innovative work-life programs. For more information about working at the University of Arizona and relocation services, please *click here* . At the University of Arizona, we value our inclusive climate because we know that diversity in experiences and perspectives is vital to advancing innovation, critical thinking, solving complex problems, and creating an inclusive academic community. We translate these values into action by seeking individuals who have experience and expertise working with diverse students, colleagues and constituencies. Because we seek a workforce with a wide range of perspectives and experiences, we encourage diverse candidates to apply, including people of color, women, veterans, and individuals with disabilities. As an Employer of National Service, we also welcome alumni of AmeriCorps, Peace Corps, and other national service programs and others who will help us advance our Inclusive Excellence initiative aimed at creating a university that values student, staff, and faculty engagement in addressing issues of diversity and inclusiveness. *Duties & Responsibilities:* A. Academic Professional Activities (40%) • Oversees and manages ASM’s Stanley J. Olsen Laboratory of Zooarchaeology. o Curates the modern comparative zooarchaeology collection in accordance with professional standards and best practices. o Develops and maintains policy and procedural guidelines for access to and handling of faunal remains in the comparative zooarchaeological collections, in collaboration with ASM’s Head of Collections and Head of Preservation. o Coordinates collections management activities with ASM’s Head of Collections and Registrar. o Provides access to the modern comparative zooarchaeology collection for the purposes of research and education. • Serves as liaison between ASM, researchers, and other museums, universities, and agencies on issues pertaining to comparative zooarchaeological materials. • Responds to public inquiries concerning zooarchaeology and the modern comparative non-human animal skeletal collections. • Provides scholarly review and oversight of vertebrate paleontological permits issued by ASM under state law. B. Research and Creative Activities (35%) • Conducts and publishes research in zooarchaeology with an emphasis on the US Southwest and northern Mexico. • Obtains external funding, through grants and contracts, to support scholarly research activity. • Provides zooarchaeological expertise as needed within ASM. a. May contribute to or curate exhibitions focused on or incorporating zooarchaeology. C. Teaching and Other Educational Activities (15%) • May prepare and teach university courses in the field of zooarchaeology and other topics. • Promotes and supervises undergraduate and graduate student research. • Supervises independent studies and internships, trains students in research methods, and encourages student participation in ongoing research initiatives. • Serves on student committees for honors theses, master’s theses, doctoral comprehensive examinations, and Ph.D. dissertations. D. Service and Outreach (10%) • Serves on ASM committees. • May serve on UA committees. • May serve on committees within professional and avocational organizations. • Conducts outreach to communities served by ASM at the university, local, and state levels. • Public education may include lectures, presentations, workshops, and field trips. Additional duties may be assigned. *Knowledge, Skills, & Abilities * *Minimum Qualifications* • Ph.D. in anthropology with an emphasis in the zooarchaeology of North America upon hire. • Research experience in zooarchaeology and field experience in archaeology. • Research capability demonstrated through publications. *Preferred Qualifications* • Experience in the management of zooarchaeological collections and/or a zooarchaeological laboratory. • Demonstrated capacity to obtain grants for research. • Demonstrated experience working successfully with Native American tribes. • University teaching experience. To view the posting and apply visit https://uacareers.com/postings/30972. Please contact the hiring department if you have any questions about the recruitment: Thank you, *James T. Watson, Ph.D.* Associate Director, Arizona State Museum Associate Curator of Bioarchaeology, Arizona State Museum Associate Professor of Anthropology, School of Anthropology *Arizona State Museum | The University of Arizona* 1013 E University Blvd | PO Box 210026 Tucson, AZ 85721-0026 (520) 621-4794 | 621-2976 FAX *www.statemuseum.arizona.edu * *www.facebook.com/arizonastatemuseum * *www.twitter.com/azstatemuseum * [image: ASM-Logo_PRIMARY_email SIZED] -- John D. Speth Emeritus Arthur F. Thurnau Professor of Anthropology Emeritus Curator of Archaeology Department of Anthropology Room 218A West Hall 1085 South University Avenue University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Michigan 48109-1107 USA (734) 417-8994 (Cell) (734) 662-9505 (Home) Email: [log in to unmask] ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --0000000000007ccba805715c2673 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
FYI Zooarch Position

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lisa Young <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:44 AM
Subject: Fwd: FW: Job Posting: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology, Arizona State Museum, University of Arizona
To: John Speth <[log in to unmask]>


Do you know anyone who might be interested in a job curating the faunal collections at the ASM?  If so, see info below to pass on to them.


Lisa C. Young, Ph.D.

University of Michigan

Department of Anthropology

1085 South University

Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1107


https://umich.academia.edu/LisaCYoung

Lecturer IV, office: 231a West Hall



 

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Subject: [anthro-core-fac] Job Posting: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology, Arizona State Museum, University of Arizona

 

All,

 

  I am writing to you with an update on the ASM Zooarchaeology position.  As you may recall we hosted several candidates last Spring for the position of Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology in ASM.  We offered the position to one of the finalists.  It was initially accepted, then later rescinded due to unanticipated circumstances (hence my current update).

 

  We have therefore reposted the position (as a 1.0 FTE, continuing eligible position) and will be advertising and seeking quality candidates to again bring to campus to interview this coming spring semester.  The hiring committee will be composed of the same representatives (Chair: Watson; Members: Eckert, Higgins, and Stiner).  Please share the following job post widely and direct any questions you may have, or receive, to me.  Thank you all for your support in the previous search.  I look forward to a new batch of exciting and qualified candidates for this round.

 

  Thank you,

Jim Watson

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Job Title: Assistant Curator, Zooarchaeology (1.0 FTE)

Posting Number: F21531

Job Description: The Assistant Curator of Zooarchaeology is a continuing-eligible Academic Professional position functioning in the Research Division of the Arizona State Museum (ASM) at the University of Arizona (UA). The incumbent provides curatorial oversight for the comparative zooarchaeological collections (modern, non-human animal skeletal collections) housed at ASM and facilitates access to these collections for the purposes of research and education. The incumbent also conducts sponsored research and prepares publications in zooarchaeology, with an emphasis on the US Southwest and northern Mexico. Other duties include community outreach, contributing to museum exhibits and programming, teaching and mentoring students, committee service within ASM and UA, and review of applications for paleontological permits issued by ASM.

The ideal candidate for this position will take a proactive approach to management of the ASM Zooarchaeological Collections and engage with the public as part of the Museum’s and UA’s mandate as a land grant institution. They will be an innovative and motivated researcher with a productive research program. They will also actively seek initiatives to improve the functioning of the lab and facilitate researcher and student interactions with the collections. We are looking for someone who is eager to apply new ideas to an old collection and develop stimulating new ways of interacting with the public and exciting them about ASM, UA, and what one can learn from zooarchaeology.

Centrally located on the University of Arizona campus, just a few steps from the U of A Main Gate at Park Avenue and University Boulevard, the museum has something for everyone of every age. ASM is the preeminent institution engaged in the anthropology and history of the southwestern United States and northern Mexico. Our researchers are leaders in all areas of Southwestern anthropology, sought after the world over for their expertise. Our unparalleled collections are accessed continuously through tours, research, teaching, and exhibits. This is where groundbreaking research is conducted and where visitors have authentic, life-enriching encounters with the region’s enduring cultures through our public programs.

With more than $622 million in research and development dollars from federal, state, and private sources, The University of Arizona currently ranks #23 among public universities in the US in overall research expenditures and #6 in physical science research. With world class faculty in fields as diverse as astronomy and space exploration, plant science, biomedical science and biotechnology, anthropology, Native peoples, business, law, philosophy, music, and dance, the UA is one of only 62 members in the Association of American Universities. The University’s main campus is situated in the heart of Tucson. Surrounded by mountains and the high Sonoran Desert, Tucson boasts a distinctive southwestern feel and enjoys more than 300 days of sunshine each year.

The UA today has over 43,000 students, and nearly 15,600 employees. The main campus has grown from its original 40 acres to more than 350 acres, and boasts the oldest continually maintained green space in Arizona. The University of Arizona offers a broad range of educational programs and support services that attract an excellent and diverse student body.

Outstanding UA benefits include health, dental, and vision insurance plans; life insurance and disability programs; paid vacation, sick leave, and holidays; UA/ASU/NAU tuition reduction for the employee and qualified family members; state and optional retirement plans; access to UA recreation and cultural activities; and more!

The University of Arizona has been listed by Forbes as one of America’s Best Employers in the United States and WorldatWork and the Arizona Department of Health Services have recognized us for our innovative work-life programs. For more information about working at the University of Arizona and relocation services, please click here.

At the University of Arizona, we value our inclusive climate because we know that diversity in experiences and perspectives is vital to advancing innovation, critical thinking, solving complex problems, and creating an inclusive academic community. We translate these values into action by seeking individuals who have experience and expertise working with diverse students, colleagues and constituencies. Because we seek a workforce with a wide range of perspectives and experiences, we encourage diverse candidates to apply, including people of color, women, veterans, and individuals with disabilities. As an Employer of National Service, we also welcome alumni of AmeriCorps, Peace Corps, and other national service programs and others who will help us advance our Inclusive Excellence initiative aimed at creating a university that values student, staff, and faculty engagement in addressing issues of diversity and inclusiveness.

Duties & Responsibilities:

A. Academic Professional Activities (40%)
• Oversees and manages ASM’s Stanley J. Olsen Laboratory of Zooarchaeology.
o Curates the modern comparative zooarchaeology collection in accordance with professional standards and best practices.
o Develops and maintains policy and procedural guidelines for access to and handling of faunal remains in the comparative zooarchaeological collections, in collaboration with ASM’s Head of Collections and Head of Preservation.
o Coordinates collections management activities with ASM’s Head of Collections and Registrar.
o Provides access to the modern comparative zooarchaeology collection for the purposes of research and education.
• Serves as liaison between ASM, researchers, and other museums, universities, and agencies on issues pertaining to comparative zooarchaeological materials.
• Responds to public inquiries concerning zooarchaeology and the modern comparative non-human animal skeletal collections.
• Provides scholarly review and oversight of vertebrate paleontological permits issued by ASM under state law.

B. Research and Creative Activities (35%)
• Conducts and publishes research in zooarchaeology with an emphasis on the US Southwest and northern Mexico.
• Obtains external funding, through grants and contracts, to support scholarly research activity.
• Provides zooarchaeological expertise as needed within ASM.
a. May contribute to or curate exhibitions focused on or incorporating zooarchaeology.

C. Teaching and Other Educational Activities (15%)
• May prepare and teach university courses in the field of zooarchaeology and other topics.
• Promotes and supervises undergraduate and graduate student research.
• Supervises independent studies and internships, trains students in research methods, and encourages student participation in ongoing research initiatives.
• Serves on student committees for honors theses, master’s theses, doctoral comprehensive examinations, and Ph.D. dissertations.

D. Service and Outreach (10%)
• Serves on ASM committees.
• May serve on UA committees.
• May serve on committees within professional and avocational organizations.
• Conducts outreach to communities served by ASM at the university, local, and state levels.
• Public education may include lectures, presentations, workshops, and field trips.

Additional duties may be assigned.

Knowledge, Skills, & Abilities

Minimum Qualifications

• Ph.D. in anthropology with an emphasis in the zooarchaeology of North America upon hire.
• Research experience in zooarchaeology and field experience in archaeology.
• Research capability demonstrated through publications.

Preferred Qualifications

• Experience in the management of zooarchaeological collections and/or a zooarchaeological laboratory.
• Demonstrated capacity to obtain grants for research.
• Demonstrated experience working successfully with Native American tribes.
• University teaching experience.

 To view the posting and apply visit https://uacareers.com/postings/30972.

Please contact the hiring department if you have any questions about the recruitment:

 

Thank you,

 James T. Watson, Ph.D.

Associate Director, Arizona State Museum

Associate Curator of Bioarchaeology, Arizona State Museum

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Standards/Qualifications for zooarchaeology Comments: To: "Madrigal, Cregg" <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_3d0983a4480a4da2b2a995da30aa35d0sfuca_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --_000_3d0983a4480a4da2b2a995da30aa35d0sfuca_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One could write at length about this, but here are a few points. 1. Archaeologists who publish in the academic literature have their work reviewed by peers, and the work ends up in a public venue. So the quality of the work is evaluated prior to publication and is available for further critique after it is published. Increasingly there are opportunities to have spreadsheets/databases placed on line for anyone to access, and, if the collections are properly curated, future researchers can re-check identifications and descriptions of specimens. So for academic work, it is not a question of whether a person is "qualified" but whether the work stands up to the evaluation of others. 2. Archaeologists whose work is reported through other publications and reports are not necessarily subject to peer review, although there is no reason why this could not be implemented, and I believe that in some jurisdictions a "grey literature" report will be subject to review before it is accepted as fulfilling the requirements of a regulatory agency. There may also be requirements for specimens and databases to be placed in a repository, so that future researchers can evaluate past work. 3. What the question seems to be asking in part is if there is a way of "licencing" people claiming to be competent zooarchaeologists. Should it be deemed necessary, this responsibility clearly lies with professional archaeologists, who in some countries have moved some way to creating professional standards. As far as I know, in North America there is no professional body in archaeology that comes close to requiring of its members the same kind of standards that are seen in other professions. For example, most professional bodies require that their members take various kinds of professional development/education on a regular basis, but I think North American professional archaeologists are excluded from this requirement. There would have to be a very significant change in thinking about what "professional" means in archaeology. 4. Even if archaeology moved much closer to the requirements of typical professional organizations, defining the standards would be quite difficult. Are zooarchaeologists qualified if they can identify the taxon and element correctly? Do they need to requalify if they move to a different region with different taxa? Do they also need to be able to identify modification to specimens (e.g. cutmarks, weathering processes)? Will they be evaluated on their knowledge of quantification methods? Ability to assess age and sex? I cannot resist telling the following anecdote about being evaluated as a professional. Many (many!) years ago I was being considered for a position as a zooarchaeologist - I won't reveal the organization. As part of the interview process I was asked to give my opinion on a few bags of faunal specimens that had been sorted and identified by another zooarchaeologist, in whom the organization presumably had some faith. I worked my way through the bags, giving my opinion about the specimens, and set a few specimens aside until I had finished with my identifications. I then asked why these specimens were in a faunal bag, and was told that they were artiodactyl long bone fragments. The interviewers were somewhat embarrassed when I pointed out that (a) the specimens were stone, not bone, (b) the fragments could be fitted together, and the resulting form had no resemblance to any element in the artiodactyl skeleton, and (c) they had four conjoining pieces of a rather nicely made polished stone tobacco pipe bowl to add to the artifact catalogue! Jon Jonathan Driver, PhD, RPA Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University, 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, BC, Canada http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/faculty/driver.html President, Western Canadian Universities Marine Sciences Society http://www.bamfieldmsc.com/ ________________________________ From: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> on behalf of Madrigal, Cregg <[log in to unmask]> Sent: July 23, 2018 1:15 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: [ZOOARCH] Professional Standards/Qualifications for zooarchaeology Does anyone know of any professional organizations or regulatory authorities that prescribe minimum qualifications for zooarchaeologists or other archaeology specialists working in cultural resource management/heritage management? Im wondering if there is anything like the Secretary of the Interiors professional qualifications standards in the U.S. (https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/arch_stnds_9.htm), but for specialist analysis in zooarch, human osteology, and so on. Ive seen the ICAZ professional protocols, which, like many other professional organizations, deals mainly with ethical guidelines, but does include this statement: There are multiple pathways to becoming an archaeozoologist, some of which have no social science foundation (e.g., veterinary medicine and paleontology), and others of which emphasize the humanities and history. Training beyond the normal requirements of an entry-level degree in the biological and social sciences, especially in the archaeological sciences, is an important basis for the professional practice of archaeozoology. Archaeozoologists work in diverse settings, ranging from governmental agencies, to private consulting firms, to museums and academic settings. Each of these requires a different suite of skills and each has a different set of work parameters, expectations, and final products. (http://alexandriaarchive.org/icaz/pdf/protocols2009.pdf) Thanks for any tips. Im interested in the U.S.A, but welcome information from anywhere. Cregg Madrigal ________________________________ To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --_000_3d0983a4480a4da2b2a995da30aa35d0sfuca_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One could write at length about this, but here are a few points.


1. Archaeologists who publish in the academic literature have their work reviewed by peers, and the work ends up in a public venue. So the quality of the work is evaluated prior to publication and is available for further critique after it is published. Increasingly there are opportunities to have spreadsheets/databases placed on line for anyone to access, and, if the collections are properly curated, future researchers can re-check identifications and descriptions of specimens. So for academic work, it is not a question of whether a person is "qualified" but whether the work stands up to the evaluation of others. 


2. Archaeologists whose work is reported through other publications and reports are not necessarily subject to peer review, although there is no reason why this could not be implemented, and I believe that in some jurisdictions a "grey literature" report will be subject to review before it is accepted as fulfilling the requirements of a regulatory agency. There may also be requirements for specimens and databases to be placed in a repository, so that future researchers can evaluate past work. 


3. What the question seems to be asking in part is if there is a way of "licencing" people claiming to be competent zooarchaeologists. Should it be deemed necessary, this responsibility clearly lies with professional archaeologists, who in some countries have moved some way to creating professional standards. As far as I know, in North America there is no professional body in archaeology that comes close to requiring of its members the same kind of standards that are seen in other professions. For example, most professional bodies require that their members take various kinds of professional development/education on a regular basis, but I think North American professional archaeologists are excluded from this requirement. There would have to be a very significant change in thinking about what "professional" means in archaeology.


4. Even if archaeology moved much closer to the requirements of typical professional organizations, defining the standards would be quite difficult. Are zooarchaeologists qualified if they can identify the taxon and element correctly? Do they need to requalify if they move to a different region with different taxa? Do they also need to be able to identify modification to specimens (e.g. cutmarks, weathering processes)? Will they be evaluated on their  knowledge of quantification methods? Ability to assess age and sex?


I cannot resist telling the following anecdote about being evaluated as a professional. Many (many!) years ago I was being considered for a position as a zooarchaeologist - I won't reveal the organization. As part of the interview process I was asked to give my opinion on a few bags of faunal specimens that had been sorted and identified by another zooarchaeologist, in whom the organization presumably had some faith. I worked my way through the bags, giving my opinion about the specimens, and set a few specimens aside until I had finished with my identifications. I then asked why these specimens were in a faunal bag, and was told that they were artiodactyl long bone fragments. The interviewers were somewhat embarrassed when I pointed out that (a) the specimens were stone, not bone, (b) the fragments could be fitted together, and the resulting form had no resemblance to any element in the artiodactyl skeleton, and (c) they had four conjoining pieces of a rather nicely made polished stone tobacco pipe bowl to add to the artifact catalogue!


Jon


Jonathan Driver, PhD, RPA

Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University, 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, BC, Canada

http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/faculty/driver.html

President, Western Canadian Universities Marine Sciences Society

http://www.bamfieldmsc.com/




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Subject: [ZOOARCH] Professional Standards/Qualifications for zooarchaeology
 

Does anyone know of any professional organizations or regulatory authorities that prescribe minimum qualifications for zooarchaeologists or other archaeology specialists working in cultural resource management/heritage management? Im wondering if there is anything like the Secretary of the Interiors professional qualifications standards in the U.S. (https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/arch_stnds_9.htm), but for specialist analysis in zooarch, human osteology, and so on.

Ive seen the ICAZ professional protocols, which, like many other professional organizations, deals mainly with ethical guidelines, but does include this statement:

There are multiple pathways to becoming an archaeozoologist, some of which have no social science foundation (e.g., veterinary medicine and paleontology), and others of which emphasize the humanities and history. Training beyond the normal requirements of an entry-level degree in the biological and social sciences, especially in the archaeological sciences, is an important basis for the professional practice of archaeozoology. Archaeozoologists work in diverse settings, ranging from governmental agencies, to private consulting firms, to museums and academic settings. Each of these requires a different suite of skills and each has a different set of work parameters, expectations, and final products. (http://alexandriaarchive.org/icaz/pdf/protocols2009.pdf)

Thanks for any tips. Im interested in the U.S.A, but welcome information from anywhere.

Cregg Madrigal

 

 



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--_000_3d0983a4480a4da2b2a995da30aa35d0sfuca_-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2018 15:41:06 -0700 Reply-To: "Christina M. Giovas" <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: "Christina M. Giovas" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Professional Standards/Qualifications for zooarchaeology Comments: To: Jonathan Driver <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b905210571b2596c" Message-ID: [log in to unmask]> --000000000000b905210571b2596c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cregg, Historic England published some robust guidelines on best practices inn zooarchaeology a few years ago, available online: https://content. historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/animal- bones-and-archaeology/animal-bones-and-archaeology.pdf/ These, of course, are tailored to the UK and the types of zooarchaeological fauna and scenarios most likely to be encountered there. As Jon points out, skill and knowledge needed to conduct sound analysis are highly contextual. As far as North America, I know the Ontario government legislates minimum reporting standards for zooarchaeology within the heritage management sector: http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/publications/SG_2010.pdf. In theory this should ensure some degree of skill behind analysis, but in practice this is a low hurdle to clear; requirements pertain mostly to advanced stages of mitigation and are limited to reporting specimen counts for identifiable taxa (there is no Ministry oversight over "identifiable") and noting the presence of burning. Effectively this means a non-specialist could perform this task. It's a good point of comparison to the Historic England guidelines for illustrating the range of "minimum standards". Best, Christina Christina M. Giovas, PhD Assistant Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University Associate Editor, Journal of Island and Coastal Archaeology Associate Editor, Journal of Anthropological Research Education Building 9635│8888 University Dr│Burnaby, BC V5A 1S6│Canada │Ph 778-782-5828 │Email [log in to unmask] On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jonathan Driver <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > One could write at length about this, but here are a few points. > > > 1. Archaeologists who publish in the academic literature have their work > reviewed by peers, and the work ends up in a public venue. So the quality > of the work is evaluated prior to publication and is available for further > critique after it is published. Increasingly there are opportunities to > have spreadsheets/databases placed on line for anyone to access, and, if > the collections are properly curated, future researchers can re-check > identifications and descriptions of specimens. So for academic work, it is > not a question of whether a person is "qualified" but whether the work > stands up to the evaluation of others. > > > 2. Archaeologists whose work is reported through other publications and > reports are not necessarily subject to peer review, although there is no > reason why this could not be implemented, and I believe that in some > jurisdictions a "grey literature" report will be subject to review before > it is accepted as fulfilling the requirements of a regulatory agency. There > may also be requirements for specimens and databases to be placed in a > repository, so that future researchers can evaluate past work. > > > 3. What the question seems to be asking in part is if there is a way of > "licencing" people claiming to be competent zooarchaeologists. Should it be > deemed necessary, this responsibility clearly lies with professional > archaeologists, who in some countries have moved some way to creating > professional standards. As far as I know, in North America there is no > professional body in archaeology that comes close to requiring of its > members the same kind of standards that are seen in other professions. For > example, most professional bodies require that their members take various > kinds of professional development/education on a regular basis, but I think > North American professional archaeologists are excluded from this > requirement. There would have to be a very significant change in thinking > about what "professional" means in archaeology. > > > 4. Even if archaeology moved much closer to the requirements of typical > professional organizations, defining the standards would be quite > difficult. Are zooarchaeologists qualified if they can identify the taxon > and element correctly? Do they need to requalify if they move to a > different region with different taxa? Do they also need to be able to > identify modification to specimens (e.g. cutmarks, weathering processes)? > Will they be evaluated on their knowledge of quantification methods? > Ability to assess age and sex? > > > I cannot resist telling the following anecdote about being evaluated as a > professional. Many (many!) years ago I was being considered for a position > as a zooarchaeologist - I won't reveal the organization. As part of the > interview process I was asked to give my opinion on a few bags of faunal > specimens that had been sorted and identified by another zooarchaeologist, > in whom the organization presumably had some faith. I worked my way through > the bags, giving my opinion about the specimens, and set a few specimens > aside until I had finished with my identifications. I then asked why these > specimens were in a faunal bag, and was told that they were artiodactyl > long bone fragments. The interviewers were somewhat embarrassed when I > pointed out that (a) the specimens were stone, not bone, (b) the fragments > could be fitted together, and the resulting form had no resemblance to any > element in the artiodactyl skeleton, and (c) they had four conjoining > pieces of a rather nicely made polished stone tobacco pipe bowl to add to > the artifact catalogue! > > > Jon > > > Jonathan Driver, PhD, RPA > > Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University, 8888 > University Drive, > > Burnaby, BC, Canada > > > http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/faculty/driver.html > > President, Western Canadian Universities Marine Sciences Society > > http://www.bamfieldmsc.com/ > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites < > [log in to unmask]> on behalf of Madrigal, Cregg < > [log in to unmask]> > *Sent:* July 23, 2018 1:15 PM > *To:* [log in to unmask] > *Subject:* [ZOOARCH] Professional Standards/Qualifications for > zooarchaeology > > > Does anyone know of any professional organizations or regulatory > authorities that prescribe minimum qualifications for zooarchaeologists or > other archaeology specialists working in cultural resource > management/heritage management? I’m wondering if there is anything like the > Secretary of the Interior’s professional qualifications standards in the > U.S. (https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/arch_stnds_9.htm), but for > specialist analysis in zooarch, human osteology, and so on. > > I’ve seen the ICAZ professional protocols, which, like many other > professional organizations, deals mainly with ethical guidelines, but does > include this statement: > > *There are multiple pathways to becoming an archaeozoologist, some of > which have no social science foundation (e.g., veterinary medicine and > paleontology), and others of which emphasize the humanities and history. > Training beyond the normal requirements of an entry-level degree in the > biological and social sciences, especially in the archaeological sciences, > is an important basis for the professional practice of archaeozoology. > Archaeozoologists work in diverse settings, ranging from governmental > agencies, to private consulting firms, to museums and academic settings. > Each of these requires a different suite of skills and each has a different > set of work parameters, expectations, and final products. > (http://alexandriaarchive.org/icaz/pdf/protocols2009.pdf > )* > > Thanks for any tips. I’m interested in the U.S.A, but welcome information > from anywhere. > > Cregg Madrigal > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000b905210571b2596c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cregg,

Historic England published some robust guidelines on best practices inn zooarchaeology a few years ago, available online: https://content.historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/animal-bones-and-archaeology/animal-bones-and-archaeology.pdf/

These, of course, are tailored to the UK and the types of zooarchaeological fauna and scenarios most likely to be encountered there. As Jon points out, skill and knowledge needed to conduct sound analysis are highly contextual. As far as North America, I know the Ontario government legislates minimum reporting standards for zooarchaeology within the heritage management sector: http://www.mtc.gov.on.ca/en/publications/SG_2010.pdf.

In theory this should ensure some degree of skill behind analysis, but in practice this is a low hurdle to clear; requirements pertain mostly to advanced stages of mitigation and are limited to reporting specimen counts for identifiable taxa (there is no Ministry oversight over "identifiable") and noting the presence of burning. Effectively this means a non-specialist could perform this task. It's a good point of comparison to the Historic England guidelines for illustrating the range of "minimum standards".

Best,
Christina



Christina M. Giovas, PhD
Assistant Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University
Associate Editor, Journal of Island and Coastal Archaeology
Associate Editor, Journal of Anthropological Research

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On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Jonathan Driver <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

One could write at length about this, but here are a few points.


1. Archaeologists who publish in the academic literature have their work reviewed by peers, and the work ends up in a public venue. So the quality of the work is evaluated prior to publication and is available for further critique after it is published. Increasingly there are opportunities to have spreadsheets/databases placed on line for anyone to access, and, if the collections are properly curated, future researchers can re-check identifications and descriptions of specimens. So for academic work, it is not a question of whether a person is "qualified" but whether the work stands up to the evaluation of others. 


2. Archaeologists whose work is reported through other publications and reports are not necessarily subject to peer review, although there is no reason why this could not be implemented, and I believe that in some jurisdictions a "grey literature" report will be subject to review before it is accepted as fulfilling the requirements of a regulatory agency. There may also be requirements for specimens and databases to be placed in a repository, so that future researchers can evaluate past work. 


3. What the question seems to be asking in part is if there is a way of "licencing" people claiming to be competent zooarchaeologists. Should it be deemed necessary, this responsibility clearly lies with professional archaeologists, who in some countries have moved some way to creating professional standards. As far as I know, in North America there is no professional body in archaeology that comes close to requiring of its members the same kind of standards that are seen in other professions. For example, most professional bodies require that their members take various kinds of professional development/education on a regular basis, but I think North American professional archaeologists are excluded from this requirement. There would have to be a very significant change in thinking about what "professional" means in archaeology.


4. Even if archaeology moved much closer to the requirements of typical professional organizations, defining the standards would be quite difficult. Are zooarchaeologists qualified if they can identify the taxon and element correctly? Do they need to requalify if they move to a different region with different taxa? Do they also need to be able to identify modification to specimens (e.g. cutmarks, weathering processes)? Will they be evaluated on their  knowledge of quantification methods? Ability to assess age and sex?


I cannot resist telling the following anecdote about being evaluated as a professional. Many (many!) years ago I was being considered for a position as a zooarchaeologist - I won't reveal the organization. As part of the interview process I was asked to give my opinion on a few bags of faunal specimens that had been sorted and identified by another zooarchaeologist, in whom the organization presumably had some faith. I worked my way through the bags, giving my opinion about the specimens, and set a few specimens aside until I had finished with my identifications. I then asked why these specimens were in a faunal bag, and was told that they were artiodactyl long bone fragments. The interviewers were somewhat embarrassed when I pointed out that (a) the specimens were stone, not bone, (b) the fragments could be fitted together, and the resulting form had no resemblance to any element in the artiodactyl skeleton, and (c) they had four conjoining pieces of a rather nicely made polished stone tobacco pipe bowl to add to the artifact catalogue!


Jon


Jonathan Driver, PhD, RPA

Professor, Department of Archaeology, Simon Fraser University, 8888 University Drive, Burnaby, BC, Canada

http://www.sfu.ca/archaeology/faculty/driver.html

President, Western Canadian Universities Marine Sciences Society

http://www.bamfieldmsc.com/




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Subject: [ZOOARCH] Professional Standards/Qualifications for zooarchaeology
 

Does anyone know of any professional organizations or regulatory authorities that prescribe minimum qualifications for zooarchaeologists or other archaeology specialists working in cultural resource management/heritage management? I’m wondering if there is anything like the Secretary of the Interior’s professional qualifications standards in the U.S. (https://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/arch_stnds_9.htm), but for specialist analysis in zooarch, human osteology, and so on.

I’ve seen the ICAZ professional protocols, which, like many other professional organizations, deals mainly with ethical guidelines, but does include this statement:

There are multiple pathways to becoming an archaeozoologist, some of which have no social science foundation (e.g., veterinary medicine and paleontology), and others of which emphasize the humanities and history. Training beyond the normal requirements of an entry-level degree in the biological and social sciences, especially in the archaeological sciences, is an important basis for the professional practice of archaeozoology. Archaeozoologists work in diverse settings, ranging from governmental agencies, to private consulting firms, to museums and academic settings. Each of these requires a different suite of skills and each has a different set of work parameters, expectations, and final products. (http://alexandriaarchive.org/icaz/pdf/protocols2009.pdf)

Thanks for any tips. I’m interested in the U.S.A, but welcome information from anywhere.

Cregg Madrigal

 

 



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--000000000000b905210571b2596c-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2018 09:54:35 +0200 Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Marie-Cécile_Soulier?= <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Marie-Cécile_Soulier?= <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: pictures of cutmarks: dino-lite? camera? In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000206f7c0571ba1574" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000206f7c0571ba1574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As always, the zooarch community is awesome! Thanks everybody for the suggestions that will certainly help me to choose the best option. Indeed, lighting has a key role but I wanted to be sure before investing in a dino (because a good dino is quite expensive). For now, I will try the Microscope Lens Cellphone Adapter suggested by Shannon, as this is a very affordable option, and without running the risk of breakage for intense transport. And sorry for my late reply (I was on a mission with poor internet)! All the best, *Marie-Cécile Soulier* ----------- PhD, Zooarchaeology *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier * *Agent contractuel CNRS* TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Zooarchers, > > What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of > cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone > already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera? > > Thanks a lot and have a nice summer > > *Marie-Cécile Soulier* > > ----------- > PhD, Zooarchaeology > > *https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Marie-Cecile_Soulier > * > > > *Agent contractuel CNRS* > TRACES - UMR 5608, équipe SMP3C > > *N'imprimez ce mail que si vous en avez vraiment besoin* > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000206f7c0571ba1574 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As always, the zooarch community is awesome!
Thanks everybody for the suggestions that will certainly help me to choose the best option. Indeed, lighting has a key role but I wanted to be sure before investing in a dino (because a good dino is quite expensive).
For now, I will try the Microscope Lens Cellphone Adapter suggested by Shannon, as this is a very affordable option, and without running the risk of breakage for intense transport.
And sorry for my late reply (I was on a mission with poor internet)! 

All the best,

Marie-Cécile Soulier

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On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Marie-Cécile Soulier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Zooarchers,

What kind of material do you use to obtain very good quality pictures of cutmarks on bone remains (especially concerning close views). Does anyone already tried a Dino-Lite? Or can someone recommend a good camera?

Thanks a lot and have a nice summer

Marie-Cécile Soulier

-----------
PhD, Zooarchaeology



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--_000_BY2PR09MB0707CA3C404F19D923E6BC7DB2540BY2PR09MB0707namp_-- ========================================================================Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 12:06:12 +0100 Reply-To: S Hamilton-Dyer <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: S Hamilton-Dyer <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Friday fishbone challenge MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Hi all, just uploaded 4 pics of 2 bones to zoobook http://zooarchaeology.ning.com/photo/img-4069a?context=latest that I am having trouble with.  Although they are both vaguely similar to several things I have they do not quite match. Either the heat has finally got to me, or they are not in my collection ;)   Should be north Atlantic marine, warm areas rather than far north but as this is 16th century a possibility from anywhere in the general area. Most so far have been coastal rocky species or pelagics. Please don't beat yourself up over these - just if you happen to recognise them straightaway! Sheila -- SH-D ArchaeoZoology http://www.shd-archzoo.co.uk ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2018 14:28:29 +0100 Reply-To: Morgan Windle <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Morgan Windle <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Anezaki (2009) article request MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006a1aa60571fb161c" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --0000000000006a1aa60571fb161c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Zooarch, I hope all are well! I'm on the search for Tomoko Anezaki's (2009) titled: Estimating Age at Death in Jomon Japanese Wild Boar (*Sus Scrofa Leucomystax*) Based on the Timing of Molar Eruption in Recent Comparative Samples I'm having trouble finding it as my university doesn't have access to the platforms it is published on. Thanks so much! Regards, -Morgan ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --0000000000006a1aa60571fb161c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Zooarch,
I hope all are well! I'm on the search for Tomoko Anezaki's (2009) titled:
Estimating Age at Death in Jomon Japanese Wild Boar (Sus Scrofa Leucomystax) Based on the Timing of Molar Eruption in Recent Comparative Samples
I'm having trouble finding it as my university doesn't have access to the platforms it is published on.

Thanks so much!

Regards,
-Morgan


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--0000000000006a1aa60571fb161c-- ========================================================================Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:06:06 +0100 Reply-To: Maayan Lev <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Maayan Lev <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Digestion marks on reptile bones Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Dear Zooarch, I am currently working on reptile bones and I was wondering if there is someone at the group that had worked/have papers regarding digestion marks on reptile bones (most importantly vertebras)? Would appreciate any help! Thank you, Maayan Lev PhD candidate University of Haifa ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2018 13:17:51 +0100 Reply-To: Don O'Meara <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Don O'Meara <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Digestion marks on reptile bones Comments: To: Maayan Lev <[log in to unmask]> In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b69aff05722255ea" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --000000000000b69aff05722255ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maayan, There is the paper (attached) by Smith, K. T., Maul, L. C., Barkai, R. and Gopher, A. 2013. ‘To catch a chameleon, or actualism vs. natural history in the taphonomy of the microvertebrate fraction at Qesem cave, Israel’, *Journal of Archaeological Science **40*, 3326-3339. which would be relevant to this topic and your region. All the best, Don. On 29 July 2018 at 13:06, Maayan Lev <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Dear Zooarch, > I am currently working on reptile bones and I was wondering if there is > someone at the group that had worked/have papers regarding digestion marks > on reptile bones (most importantly vertebras)? > Would appreciate any help! > Thank you, > Maayan Lev > PhD candidate > University of Haifa > > ######################################################################## > > To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --000000000000b69aff05722255ea Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Maayan,

There is the paper (attached) by Smith, K. T., Maul, L. C., Barkai, R. and Gopher, A. 2013. ‘To catch a chameleon, or actualism vs. natural history in the taphonomy of the microvertebrate fraction at Qesem cave, Israel’, Journal of Archaeological Science 40, 3326-3339. which would be relevant to this topic and your region.

All the best,

Don.


On 29 July 2018 at 13:06, Maayan Lev <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Dear Zooarch,
I am currently working on reptile bones and I was wondering if there is someone at the group that had worked/have papers regarding digestion marks on reptile bones (most importantly vertebras)?
Would appreciate any help!
Thank you,
Maayan Lev
PhD candidate
University of Haifa

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--000000000000b69aff05722255ea-- ========================================================================Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 10:28:34 +0100 Reply-To: Carly Ameen <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Carly Ameen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: SAA 2019: HumAnE Archaeology Session Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> Dear colleagues, Naomi Sykes and I are organising a session for the SAAs in Albuquerque, New Mexico 10-15 April 2019. We are hoping the session (abstract included below), will appeal to a wide group of archaeologists, but it clearly has scope for a lot of great zooarchaeological work. The final deadline imposed by the SAA for abstract submission is 6 Sept 2018 by which point you will have to have registered and submitted your paper abstract online. If you're interested in joining this session, please contact me via email by 10 August 2018. We will then be able to submit your name to the SAA site and you will receive an invite allowing you to register and upload your 200 word abstract. Please feel free to share this widely and pass the details on to anyone you know might be interested. Best wishes, Carly Dr. Carly Ameen -- Postdoctoral Research Fellow Department of Archaeology 
University of Exeter, UK 
-- Honorary Research Fellow Department of Archaeology, Classics & Egyptology University of Liverpool, UK Our draft abstract is here: HumAnE Archaeology Archaeology is benefiting from an explosion of increasingly multidisciplinary research, specifically from projects which combine human-animal-environmental (HumAnE) approaches. These projects bring together researchers with access to large quantities of data that can be analysed using a variety of arts and science-based techniques to unpick and model long-term bio-cultural dynamics. In turn, these data can be used to address present-day issues which have implications for human-animal-environmental health and well-being. Archaeologists are uniquely placed to contribute a deep-time perspective on contemporary humanitarian issues, like those identified in the United Nations’ Sustainable Development Goals, which are not exclusively modern phenomenon. Investigations into the impact of increasingly intensive husbandry regimes and associated environmental responses, including not only the intensification of food production, but effects from urbanisation, globalisation, climate change, disease transmission and inter-cultural conflict are as relevant today as they are to understanding the past. This interdisciplinary, deep-time data can be collated, considered, and presented to help address these modern global challenges, and inform current policy and mitigation strategies using a suite of interrelated analytical approaches, such as traditional (zoo)archaeological methods, biomolecular analyses, and environmental studies. This session calls for papers that demonstrate how by studying the diverse inter-relationships between humans, animals and the environment it is possible to both obtain a more nuanced appreciation of past societies and also to inform on the lives and habitats of those in the present. ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 ========================================================================Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2018 15:32:27 +0200 Reply-To: "Cakirlar, C." <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: "Cakirlar, C." <[log in to unmask]> Subject: pdf request smuts MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000017cd430572377e46" Message-ID: [log in to unmask]> --00000000000017cd430572377e46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Zooarchers, I suppose this is a slightly illegal request, but Anyone by any chance in possession of the pdf of Smuts, M.M.S. & Bezuidenhout, A.J. 1987, *Anatomy of the Dromedary, *Clarendon, Oxford. and is willing to share? best wishes, Dr. Canan Çakırlar Groningen Institute of Archaeology Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands tel. +31(0)50-3636732 Academic Profile Collections Database Hidden Hybrids ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --00000000000017cd430572377e46 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Zooarchers, 

I suppose this is a slightly illegal request, but

Anyone by any chance in possession of the pdf of 

Smuts, M.M.S. & Bezuidenhout, A.J. 1987, Anatomy of the Dromedary, Clarendon, Oxford.

and is willing to share? 

best wishes, 


Dr. Canan Çakırlar
Groningen Institute of Archaeology 
Poststraat 6, NL-9712 ER Groningen, Netherlands 
tel. +31(0)50-3636732

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--00000000000017cd430572377e46-- ========================================================================Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 08:57:31 -0700 Reply-To: Nicole Mathwich <[log in to unmask]> Sender: Analysis of animal remains from archaeological sites <[log in to unmask]> From: Nicole Mathwich <[log in to unmask]> Subject: SAA 2019 - Call for abstracts - Session on indigenous sciences and complex systems MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005a4d9c05724da30c" Message-ID: <[log in to unmask]> --0000000000005a4d9c05724da30c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, I am organizing a session entitled “Exploring complex systems through indigenous sciences and ontologies” for the Society for American Archaeology Annual Meeting in 2019, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and invite abstract submissions for the session. See session description below for more information. If you are interested in joining this session, please* send an abstract of 200 words* to [log in to unmask] by *August 15, 2018*. I will then submit your name to the SAA site as part of the session. You will be invited by email to register and upload your 200 word abstract by the *deadline for SAA for abstract submission, Sept. 6, 2018*, 3pm EST. All session participants will need to be registered and have submitted the paper abstract online by that date. Please share this call for abstracts across your list servs and pass the details on to anyone you know might be interested! Best regards, Nicole Dr. Nicole M. Mathwich Arizona State Museum University of Arizona [log in to unmask] *Call for abstracts* *Session title: Exploring complex systems through indigenous sciences and ontologies* Complex systems approaches to archaeological interpretation are well-established in the discipline and offer important ways for studying change over various scales. Large data sets and regional syntheses invite new applications of complex systems applications of complex systems to archaeological data. At the same time, indigenous and postcolonial perspectives have increasingly become foundational to project planning, data collection, and interpretation. Despite the importance of these two approaches to contemporary archaeology, researchers seldom interpret complex systems concepts and methods through indigenous ontological frameworks. The lack of substantial dialogue between these theoretical approaches results in uncritical applications of complexity theory which inadvertently reinforce scripts of settler colonialism. Researchers are also potentially missing opportunities to reinterpret and store legacy data in ways that respect indigenous sovereignty. This session will explore ways indigenous theoretical frameworks can inform complexity concepts and methods, such as resilience, emergence, and computer modeling, and invite pragmatic examinations of the limits and potential conflicts among these theoretical approaches. We invite papers presenting archaeological case studies, regional syntheses, and methodological approaches to the study of complex systems in conversation with indigenous sciences. Dr. Lindsay M. Montgomery of the University of Arizona has agreed to be the session discussant. In this session, contributions dealing with the following topics will be welcome: - Reinterpretation of legacy data through indigenous ontologies - Reflections on collaborations involving complex systems methods - Computer modeling of indigenous political organization or ecology Please send abstracts (200 word count) to [log in to unmask] by *August 15, 2018.* ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the ZOOARCH list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ZOOARCH&A=1 --0000000000005a4d9c05724da30c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Colleagues,

I am organizing a session entitled “Exploring complex systems through indigenous sciences and ontologies” for the Society for American Archaeology Annual Meeting in 2019, in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and invite abstract submissions for the session. See session description below for more information.

If you are interested in joining this session, please send an abstract of 200 words to [log in to unmask] by August 15, 2018. I will then submit your name to the SAA site as part of the session. You will be invited by email to register and upload your 200 word abstract by the deadline for SAA for abstract submission, Sept. 6, 2018, 3pm EST. All session participants will need to be registered and have submitted the paper abstract online by that date.

Please share this call for abstracts across your list servs and pass the details on to anyone you know might be interested!

Best regards,

Nicole

Dr. Nicole M. Mathwich

Arizona State Museum

University of Arizona

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Call for abstracts

Session title: Exploring complex systems through indigenous sciences and ontologies

Complex systems approaches to archaeological interpretation are well-established in the discipline and offer important ways for studying change over various scales. Large data sets and regional syntheses invite new applications of complex systems applications of complex systems to archaeological data. At the same time, indigenous and postcolonial perspectives have increasingly become foundational to project planning, data collection, and interpretation. Despite the importance of these two approaches to contemporary archaeology, researchers seldom interpret complex systems concepts and methods through indigenous ontological frameworks. The lack of substantial dialogue between these theoretical approaches results in uncritical applications of complexity theory which inadvertently reinforce scripts of settler colonialism. Researchers are also potentially missing opportunities to reinterpret and store legacy data in ways that respect indigenous sovereignty. This session will explore ways indigenous theoretical frameworks can inform complexity concepts and methods, such as resilience, emergence, and computer modeling, and invite pragmatic examinations of the limits and potential conflicts among these theoretical approaches.

We invite papers presenting archaeological case studies, regional syntheses, and methodological approaches to the study of complex systems in conversation with indigenous sciences. Dr. Lindsay M. Montgomery of the University of Arizona has agreed to be the session discussant.

In this session, contributions dealing with the following topics will be welcome:

-          Reinterpretation of legacy data through indigenous ontologies

-          Reflections on collaborations involving complex systems methods

-          Computer modeling of indigenous political organization or ecology

Please send abstracts (200 word count) to [log in to unmask] by August 15, 2018.





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