> this strangulated feeling people get because there are too many poets and standards must be upheld etc... I mean natter way as much as you like

That's not what I meant, am not trying to educate. I dislike e.g. like not knowing who to believe, as it makes for more much more work.

Luke

On 2 July 2018 at 12:55, Peter Riley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

How quaint to see this business arising yet again, this strangulated feeling people get because there are too many poets and standards must be upheld etc.  We are back in the 1930s. More pertinently I remember Eric Mottram going on about this at a Cambridge Poetry Festival late 1970s and Douglas Olive getting angry with him  — if you believe in poetry how can you want to restrict its production? 

So if you’re on about this at present I offer to send to anyone who asks (backchannel) for it an essay, expanded version of a talk given in Huddersfield in May, called “What happened to poetry?”  I can’t invite discussion about this - - it’s big (28pp) and important parts of its coverage are unsettled. I mean natter way as much as you like but I shall be in the cellar. 

PR

On 2 Jul 2018, at 12:13 pm, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Yep! Trying to work out the difference between those who know about stuff and those who pretend to know about stuff or sound as if they know about stuff is very difficult at the best of times but when people have letters after their name it makes it even more difficult because of cultural rules and perceptions.

Sorry haven't been posting much - too hot, too busy doing other stuff.

Cheers

Tim

On 2 Jul 2018, at 02:47, Luke wrote:

I don't think it should ever really matter that people are writing bad poetry. I suppose a worry is that the universities are churning out "experts" in poetry that aren't anything of the sort, and this encourages stupidity, not just in taste but in other matters

Luke

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