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Can we compile a running list as we go? And, importantly, can people offer opinions on the best strategy for pitching the slate of talks? The schedule is a free for all this year, so I suspect we will have to fight for slots. Also, I suspect being early will be valuable. The running list... 1 - Pion production model fits to free-nucleon/deuterium data 2 - Quantitative characterisation of comprehensive neutrino interaction models 3 - New hadronization model tunes and evaluation of model uncertainty 4- Global fits of neutrino-nucleus data 5- New GENIE FSI As for making GENIE-specific talks and then a cluster of general talks with links to generators, I could imagine a grouping like this: ``` GENIE --------- 2 - Quantitative characterisation of comprehensive neutrino interaction models 3 - New hadronization model tunes and evaluation of model uncertainty 5- New GENIE FSI General with GENIE links ---------------------------------- 1 - Pion production model fits to free-nucleon/deuterium data 4- Global fits of neutrino-nucleus data ``` The fitting work could be regarded as very general. Although the work definitely uses GENIE code at a deep level all over the place, you could present that work as a study of tensions in datasets, etc. Gabriel Perdue Associate Scientist Scientific Computing Division Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory PO Box 500, MS 234, Batavia, IL 60510, USA [log in to unmask] Office: 630-840-6499 Cell: 630-605-8062 Connect with us! <http://www.fnal.gov/>Web <http://www.fnal.gov/> | Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/Fermilab> | Twitter <https://www.twitter.com/fermilab> > On Jun 4, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Steven Dytman <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I was on organizing comm for a few years. Back then, there was a generator section > and room for 4-5 talks. Sounds like organization is more open now, good. In addition, > seems generator work is more integrated. > > Costas' list seems good but I'd add all the work we've done on FSI. By then, we should > have new hN, GEANT, and INCL++ integrated. (Marc is working on validation plots.) > This seems worth a talk. > > There is also more interest in general issues such as nuclear models, links to oscillation.... > I like the idea of pitching ~2 GENIE specific talks and a cluster of more general talks > that have strong links to generators. > > Steve > > On 06/03/2018 06:12 PM, Gabriel Nathan Perdue wrote: >> Costas - I like the thinking here, but have a question about "branding". How would you propose pitching this slate of talks to the NuInt program committee. Generally, theorists get to talk about whatever they want, but only get one talk to do (sometimes two, but sort of rarely). Experiments get invited to present a bunch of things. Generator groups are sort of in between... >> >> I'm not sure how to pitch this slate of talks w/o calling them all GENIE talks. On the other hand, maybe that is okay? If we have a sharp list of things we want to cover, why not just advocate for that list under a GENIE umbrella and try to break the idea of just one talk per generator? Honestly, I think that was a historical consequence of laziness and poor communication across the community. I think if we very clearly have 3 or 4 (or 5) talks worth of material spread across the collaboration, there's nothing stopping us from having that many talks. >> >> Anyway, I like the idea, but need help thinking about how to sell it. >> >> Gabriel Perdue >> Associate Scientist >> >> Scientific Computing Division >> Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory >> PO Box 500, MS 234, Batavia, IL 60510, USA >> [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]> >> Office: 630-840-6499 >> Cell: 630-605-8062 >> >> Connect with us! >> Web <http://www.fnal.gov/> | Facebook <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.facebook.com_Fermilab&d=DwMDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=VuX71VzHBLywwZNXKJh6xw&m=BtD-t4pCG1JSiy1VwtgmOHHJlCPPIB8Oq_GG_psFi40&s=E_dBvjjcWM99Eqg9M-pCtfZ0N-GBBT0reJpVpWAzlV8&e=> | Twitter <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.twitter.com_fermilab&d=DwMDaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=VuX71VzHBLywwZNXKJh6xw&m=BtD-t4pCG1JSiy1VwtgmOHHJlCPPIB8Oq_GG_psFi40&s=nBJ2tM60s09ZD-4SHRZI2wWEKiezLtIQDyUTbPfCyuM&e=> >>> On Jun 3, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Costas Andreopoulos - UKRI STFC <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Not all our talks need to carry an explicit GENIE label. Ultimately, I feel this limits the number of talks we can give because there will always be some (low) quota for generator groups. But there is no reason why, for example, Teppei can give a talk on (GENIE) hadronization and Callum can give a talk on bubble chamber data fits (incl GENIE), but GENIE authors working on the same topics must squeeze a couple of slides in the GENIE summary talk or must compete against each other for a limited number of “GENIE” talks. I think we should have a single GENIE summary talk, as always. Then we can try to promote a number of other talks focussing on specific phenomenology / tuning work (this work may be implemented in GENIE, but this is not the main feature - indeed, the emphasis should be on the phenomenology, not GENIE). >>> >>> The following are possible talks I know about from STWG work (there may be others from NPWG, PPWG developments). 1 and 2 is mature enough work. 3 will be developed over the summer and I believe it should be mature enough by NuInt. 4 will is partially developed and may or may not be something we can present by NuInt. >>> >>> 1 - Pion production model fits to free-nucleon/deuterium data >>> 2 - Quantitative characterisation of comprehensive neutrino interaction models >>> 3 - New hadronization model tunes and evaluation of model uncertainty >>> 4- Global fits of neutrino-nucleus data >>> >>> >>> cheers >>> C >>> >>> -- >>> Dr. Costas Andreopoulos >>> Associate Professor >>> University of Liverpool & STFC / RAL >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__costas.andreopoulos.eu&d=DwIGaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=VuX71VzHBLywwZNXKJh6xw&m=aQpYMFcEAlzfJJXT5xOZMxzbajfpiAeHroKkS583gT0&s=k4bUwJy-WtoSTfWSXQuc_N974VxbdkKZTM78P-eFG40&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__costas.andreopoulos.eu&d=DwIGaQ&c=gRgGjJ3BkIsb5y6s49QqsA&r=VuX71VzHBLywwZNXKJh6xw&m=aQpYMFcEAlzfJJXT5xOZMxzbajfpiAeHroKkS583gT0&s=k4bUwJy-WtoSTfWSXQuc_N974VxbdkKZTM78P-eFG40&e=> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 3 Jun 2018, at 19:45, Gabriel Nathan Perdue <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]><mailto:[log in to unmask]> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am on the NuInt 2018 scientific program committee this year, and we're doing things a bit different. Instead of organizing into groups (0pi, DIS, etc.), all the organizers are one big committee working on the whole program. May or may not work, but here's to experimenters, eh? >>> >>> At any rate, how many presentations would GENIE like at NuFact, and on what topics? I, of course, can't promise we'll get everything, but if I can take a decent estimate to the rest of the committee and say "this is what GENIE would like to cover," it makes a good starting point. Obviously, we'd like at least one talk on the tuning efforts, but is there something else we'd like to highlight (e.g., some technical/physics model development)? Would one talk be enough for us? 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