Dear Alan, It's not always easy to tell what the underlying causes of difficulties are for older ESOL learners, but the CAML assessment tools ('Cognitive Assessments for Multilingual Learners') were designed specifically to help us unpick the different factors (e.g. lack of previous educational experience, stress/trauma or cognitive differences such as dyslexia) and find the best way forward for them to progress. As Diane kindly noted, you can find more info at the _ELT well _web site: http://eltwell.com/dyslexia-assessment/spld-assessments-for-multilingual-people/ I think that there are benefits for all learners in finding out more about how they work best, and cognitive evaluations like the CAML can contribute to this. In terms of giving a formal label, you would need to judge how the students might respond to that. Some mature learners I have worked with were just really relieved to find out that the challenges they have experienced all their lives have an identifiable cause (apart from believing themselves to be 'stupid' or 'lazy'). Others might feel ashamed of having a 'disability'. You need to handle it very carefully and choose the right words to address the subject with them. There are also clear benefits in being able to get exam access arrangements in place for students taking formal assessments, although check with the exam board whether a formal identification is really necessary - some boards will allow extra time on the centre's recommendation (check with your exam office too!). Some of the CAML tasks can be used with a whole group and provide a springboard for discussion about learning strategies, so even if you don't want to go down the route of formal individual assessment, there is a lot you could do to support learners with memory issues, for example. See also the follow-up activities book: 'Including Dyslexic Language Learners', which is a collection of whole-class activities to develop memory strategies, or phonological awareness, or whatever area the student/s need more support in. As for the question regarding the Jobcentre - I'm afraid I don't know enough about the regulations to be able to advise, although I am sure other people on this list will be able to help. I would say, though, that in the case of a dispute about progression, if it turns out that a student does indeed have a specific learning difference, such as dyslexia, it would certainly strengthen their case, as they would be protected under the Equality Act. Hope this helps. Do feel free to contact me off-list if there is anything else I can help with. Best wishes, Anne Margaret _ELT WELL_ On 2018-05-18 08:28, Alan Johnson wrote: > Dear all > > I'm looking for advice regarding getting statements for learning differences in adult education. I have one group with a couple of learners who are a bit below the group median, and struggle to progress. I'm particularly wondering what the signs are for e.g. dyslexia as opposed to being weak at spelling and writing. I'm also curious as to whether there are any tangible benefits for a learner being diagnosed as dyslexic (extra time in exams etc?). Is it worth putting an older learner through this? > > I also have a couple of (again, older) learners who complain of memory loss, among other things. I'm unsure if this is a mental block due to low confidence or whether it might be something more substantial. > > My final question would be regarding the Jobcentre and learners' ESOL progression: if the learners don't move up a level, or indeed, if it emerges that they've been incorrectly assessed and might be better off moving down, will this affect their benefit claims? > > Interested to hear people's experiences and thoughts. > > Thanks very much > > -- > > Kind regards > > ALAN JOHNSON > ESOL tutor > *********************************** ESOL-Research is a forum for researchers and practitioners with an interest in research into teaching and learning ESOL. ESOL-Research is managed by James Simpson at the Centre for Language Education Research, School of Education, University of Leeds. To join or leave ESOL-Research, visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/ESOL-RESEARCH.html To contact the list owner, send an email to [log in to unmask] *********************************** ESOL-Research is a forum for researchers and practitioners with an interest in research into teaching and learning ESOL. ESOL-Research is managed by James Simpson at the Centre for Language Education Research, School of Education, University of Leeds. To join or leave ESOL-Research, visit http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/ESOL-RESEARCH.html To contact the list owner, send an email to [log in to unmask]