The quote I thought bore out the idea that Riley is (self consciously) "authentic" in the sense not offering "up easy answers/explanations".perhaps in a way that undermines or reworks her role as a mother who has outlived her son. However, I just like the idea of hope, and should read those Ernest Bloch books, soon.
A fat-lot-of-good mother with a pointless alibi: ‘I didn’t
Know.’..
I so want to join you.Thanks anyway,LukeOn 12 May 2018 at 19:13, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Well I read what you linked to once (I have that collection just not read it yet). The emotion seems muted, but also sounds hopeful. No I really cannot say why it seems authentic.
A fat-lot-of-good mother with a pointless alibi: ‘I didn’t
Know.’..
I so want to join you.On 12 May 2018 at 18:59, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:Oh ok, my apologies. Thanks for the link.LukeOn 12 May 2018 at 18:56, Tristan Moss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:She lost an adult son. Read the poem by Riley Luke. Here’s a link to it. https://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n03/denise-riley/a-part-song
She just has a great way with words and the ability to choose just the right one. Of course, this adds to the authenticity of the voice.
Not suggesting that you haven't! Just suggesting that one can't decide from your description, anymore than you can from knowing the Riley's (or at least, the author) lost a baby.Luke
On 12 May 2018 at 18:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Surely it's impossible to say without reading itLuke
> Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'.
On 12 May 2018 at 09:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Are the best-selling Birthday Letters authentic?? Is Maya Angelou ditto?Is Peter Reading's 'C' authentic? A hundred pieces of prose behaving like poems each a hundred words long written in a style au naturel but as artificial and calculated as a wedding song by Spenser. A fake fiction about cancer by a man who once had it and another time would die from it. Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'.This interesting Tim, and knotty, but it has the feel of real discussion. One might almost say authentic :)DH Lawrence could well be called authentic. Yet he was also rhetorical and pretentious, all those dark gods that had no place wandering the streets of an imagination made a bus ride from Nottingham.
Best
Dave
On 11 May 2018 at 11:44, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques[log in to unmask] > wrote:
Yes exactly Luke, the 'how' is still missing, at least in the sense of describing a 'how' that was special to Riley. I used the word 'authentic' because of its innate problems - it is one of the most difficult terms to use when applied to the arts, but nevertheless I think my use of it in the context of Riley is 'authentic'.
Perceptions of and identifying authenticity in music is an even more contentious - the process that leads from authentic feeling and expression first to model/form then to simulacrum and finally to soulless golem (e.g. x factor or whatever) is almost impossible to untangle.
Cheers
Tim
On 11 May 2018, at 02:03, Luke wrote:
I'm still missing a how. No-one is innately authentic, so how does one go about it? Incidentally. I was recently listening to Kurt Cobain, of Nirvana, ha, and it struck me so, also. So not limited to poetry, anyway!