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Yes.Tristan. But for instance Peter Porter wrote poems about losing his
wife. Surely those were equally authentic.



On 12 May 2018 at 18:56, Tristan Moss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> She lost an adult son. Read the poem by Riley Luke. Here’s a link to it.
> https://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n03/denise-riley/a-part-song
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> She just has a great way with words and the ability to choose just the
> right one. Of course, this adds to the authenticity of the voice.
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> On 12 May 2018, at 18:31, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Not suggesting that you haven't! Just suggesting that one can't decide
> from your description, anymore than you can from knowing the Riley's (or at
> least, the author) lost a baby.
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> Luke
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> On 12 May 2018 at 18:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Surely it's impossible to say without reading it
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>> > Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'.
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>> Luke
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>> On 12 May 2018 at 09:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>> This interesting Tim, and knotty, but it has the feel of real
>>> discussion. One might almost say authentic :)
>>>
>>> DH Lawrence could well be called authentic. Yet he was also rhetorical
>>> and pretentious, all those dark gods that had no place wandering the
>>> streets of an imagination made a bus ride from Nottingham.
>>>
>>> Is Peter Reading's 'C' authentic? A hundred pieces of prose behaving
>>> like poems each a hundred words long written in a style au naturel but as
>>> artificial and calculated as a wedding song by Spenser. A fake fiction
>>> about cancer by a man who once had it and another time would die from it.
>>> Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'.
>>>
>>> Are the best-selling Birthday Letters authentic?? Is Maya Angelou ditto?
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Dave
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>>> On 11 May 2018 at 11:44, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques
>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>>> Yes exactly Luke, the 'how' is still missing, at least in the sense of
>>>> describing a 'how' that was special to Riley. I used the word 'authentic'
>>>> because of its innate problems - it is one of the most difficult terms to
>>>> use when applied to the arts, but nevertheless I think my use of it in the
>>>> context of Riley is 'authentic'.
>>>>
>>>> Perceptions of and identifying authenticity in music is an even more
>>>> contentious - the process that leads from authentic feeling and expression
>>>> first to model/form then to simulacrum and finally to soulless golem (e.g.
>>>> x factor or whatever) is almost impossible to untangle.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Tim
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>>>> On 11 May 2018, at 02:03, Luke wrote:
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>>>> I'm still missing a *how*. No-one is innately authentic, so how does
>>>> one go about it? Incidentally. I was recently listening to Kurt Cobain, of
>>>> Nirvana, ha, and it struck me so, also. So not limited to poetry, anyway!
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