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Well I read what you linked to once (I have that collection just not read it yet). The emotion seems muted, but also sounds hopeful. No I really cannot say why it seems authentic. A fat-lot-of-good mother with a pointless alibi: ‘I didn’t Know.’.. I so want to join you. On 12 May 2018 at 18:59, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Oh ok, my apologies. Thanks for the link. > > Luke > > On 12 May 2018 at 18:56, Tristan Moss <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> She lost an adult son. Read the poem by Riley Luke. Here’s a link to it. >> https://www.lrb.co.uk/v34/n03/denise-riley/a-part-song >> >> She just has a great way with words and the ability to choose just the >> right one. Of course, this adds to the authenticity of the voice. >> >> >> >> On 12 May 2018, at 18:31, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >> Not suggesting that you haven't! Just suggesting that one can't decide >> from your description, anymore than you can from knowing the Riley's (or at >> least, the author) lost a baby. >> >> Luke >> >> On 12 May 2018 at 18:29, Luke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> >>> Surely it's impossible to say without reading it >>> >>> > Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'. >>> >>> Luke >>> >>> On 12 May 2018 at 09:02, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >>> >>>> This interesting Tim, and knotty, but it has the feel of real >>>> discussion. One might almost say authentic :) >>>> >>>> DH Lawrence could well be called authentic. Yet he was also rhetorical >>>> and pretentious, all those dark gods that had no place wandering the >>>> streets of an imagination made a bus ride from Nottingham. >>>> >>>> Is Peter Reading's 'C' authentic? A hundred pieces of prose behaving >>>> like poems each a hundred words long written in a style au naturel but as >>>> artificial and calculated as a wedding song by Spenser. A fake fiction >>>> about cancer by a man who once had it and another time would die from it. >>>> Tom Paulin, an otherwise fan, regarded it as 'adolescent'. >>>> >>>> Are the best-selling Birthday Letters authentic?? Is Maya Angelou ditto? >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 11 May 2018 at 11:44, Tim Allen <0000002899e7d020-dmarc-reques >>>> [log in to unmask]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes exactly Luke, the 'how' is still missing, at least in the sense of >>>>> describing a 'how' that was special to Riley. I used the word 'authentic' >>>>> because of its innate problems - it is one of the most difficult terms to >>>>> use when applied to the arts, but nevertheless I think my use of it in the >>>>> context of Riley is 'authentic'. >>>>> >>>>> Perceptions of and identifying authenticity in music is an even more >>>>> contentious - the process that leads from authentic feeling and expression >>>>> first to model/form then to simulacrum and finally to soulless golem (e.g. >>>>> x factor or whatever) is almost impossible to untangle. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> On 11 May 2018, at 02:03, Luke wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm still missing a *how*. No-one is innately authentic, so how does >>>>> one go about it? Incidentally. I was recently listening to Kurt Cobain, of >>>>> Nirvana, ha, and it struck me so, also. So not limited to poetry, anyway! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >