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medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Like Rosemany I must confess to having never heard of this limitation. Can anyone please give chapter and verse in Canon Law for this? It seems on the face of it very odd! Gordon Plumb -----Original Message----- From: Rosemary Hayes-Milligan and Andrew Milligan <[log in to unmask]> To: MEDIEVAL-RELIGION <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Tue, Feb 6, 2018 10:43 am Subject: Re: [M-R] numbers of bells medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Does it say anything about the status of the church? Is there anything those with more bells have in common? Are they prebendal churches, the head church of a deanery/archdeaconry, collegiate churches, churches with lots of chantries? Or is it random? Have to admit I didn't know you were only allowed 3. If three, three of what kind? Fixed? Presumably, there was no limit on the sort of hand bells that are rung at the consecration - or was there? Rosemary Hayes ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Willis To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Monday, February 05, 2018 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [M-R] numbers of bells medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture No, I dont think there would be bells in reserve as it were. The Edwardian Inventories were taken to clarify the state of church goods, and if a church had seven bells, they would have said so. Having said that bells [in the steeple] to be rongen with oone accorde (a comment on several Shropshire churches in 1549) were not the only bells in the church. There would often be a Sanctus bell, which might be with the other bells in the tower, or in a bellcote over the chancel by itself. (Keevil, Wiltshire has a good example of this. See http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/WIL/Keevil/StLeonard.html where the bellcote is between the chancel and the nave and seems to be trying to hide behind a leaf.). There might also be a sacryng belle and/or a corse belle which would be handbells to ring during Mass or before a burial (I assume. Correct me if I am wrong). These may be the same as the lyttel bellis, that are sometimes mentioned. In the Shropshire inventories there is also the occasional clock bell. Abdon, Shropshire had nine bells on a wheel. John Aubrey describes some I think at Kington St Michael, Wiltshire. These were small bells which were shaken at some point during a Mass. Anne From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Winter Sent: 05 February 2018 18:31 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] numbers of bells medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Also a guess, but is there a distinction between ownership and use? Could you have 7 bells so long as you only used 3 or fewer at any given time? David R. Winter Associate Professor and Chair, Department of History, Brandon University 270 18th St., Brandon, Manitoba, Canada, R7A 6A9 phone: (001) 204-720-1435 fax: (001) 204-726-0473 http://people.brandonu.ca/winterd From: medieval-religion - Scholarly discussions of medieval religious culture [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Jane Stemp Wickenden [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 05 February 2018 11:51 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [M-R] numbers of bells medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture This is a wild guess (my knowledge of bells is post-Stedman) but could bells specially donated for a soul's sake / chantry bells have been excluded from the rule? Jane On 5 February 2018 16:55:58 GMT+00:00, Anne Willis <[log in to unmask]> wrote: medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture Does anyone know of any reason why parish churches in England exceeded the three bells permitted under Canon Law? If you look at the Edwardian surveys for a county a number of churches will have four or five bells in their towers, though the majority will have one to three. The five bell towers in Wiltshire, and probably Shropshire, can be attributed to various local conditions, but how did the parish get away with it? It was cathedrals who were allowed five or more bells. And was there any particular reason for having four bells? Anne ********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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