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It's the third parties who usually have the day and we are all third parties at some point. Despite the complications I look upon modernism and postmodernism as two different classes, not just different orders of the same class (if I've got that the right way round). Whatever positive feelings I have towards modernism such feelings do not come into play with postmod - postmod is something I have to deal with, it is not something I can choose to go with or reject. So it's not an either/or, they do not have an equality of labelling. I hinted about this in my first post on the subject but maybe it is unclear. Cheers Tim On 5 Feb 2018, at 19:51, GILES GOODLAND wrote: > I find these labels unhelpful or obsolete. Imagine if writers were still saying they were "Georgian" or "Beat" or "Expressionist" or even "Punk". These words may show orientations or allegiances, but does any poem really need a label? Shouldn't the poem say enough about what it is in itself? Same with Modernism and Postmodernism. > I remember I did meet a poet who told me he was "PoMO" once, and it sounded a bit pretentious. > It is different if a third party is applying the label to you, I suppose. But even then...