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Hi Peter, 

I've not found distance to have impacted on being selected for an EE role.  Until recently I was based in Edinburgh and had EE roles in London and the far south west of England. I'm now based in the Middle East and have an EE role in the west of England. So distance doesn't seem to be an issue for some universities. I should add I don't get expenses from the Middle East, but I attend Exam boards when I'm in the UK or via Skype. 

I do agree though the wider geographical spread of EEs must have some impact on maintaining national standards. 

Lorna 

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On 19 Jan 2018, at 13:17, Peter Honeyman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Good Morning

 

I managed to get an EE role after many rejections, but I wonder if my lack of experience was only one factor.

I’ve attended several exam boards, validations etc in the South of England, and have always noticed that the majority of externals seem to have travelled very short distances to the event.  Perhaps they are known contacts, part of the same academic community, hopefully it’s not just down to economy of travelling expenses!  If all your external advisers are from the same region of the UK, are you really measuring against national standards?

 

Pete

 

Peter Honeyman

Subject Network Leader,

Creative and Cultural Industries,

University of the Highlands and Islands.

 

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From: External examiners discussion forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tracey Bourne
Sent: 19 January 2018 09:51
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Subject: Re: Help!

 

Hi Sam

 

I'm in the same position as Patsy. 14 years HE experience, a course Leader, 20+ years industry practice and experience, am part of the academic pool for our institutions course review and academic approval panels and after several applications for EE roles have now given up trying. I've now got a role as an EE for FE colleges where they seem to be much more willing to take newbies on and where the fees are better.

 

Institutions want experience which you can't get unless someone is willing to take on a new EE and most people who are experienced EE's are already in EE tenures. 

 

I sometimes wonder if institutions advertise EE roles because they have to, but already have someone earmarked for the role.

Kind regards

 

Tracey Bourne

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School of Sport, Health and Social Sciences| Southampton

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On 19 Jan 2018, at 09:26, johanne child <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Sam 

Complete agree with Patsy. It seems if you are new to the role you only get in when you have friends in places. Would love to do it but it seems institutions do not have the time to support new externals. 

Johanne

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On 19 Jan 2018, at 08:42, Patsy Morgan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hello Sam

I think it is also important to consider those who want to be an external but not able to get the offers.  I have tried a few times but there is a trend for the request for ‘external examiners’ with experience. I have 20 years’ experience in the hospitality industry including further education, and now completing my 14th year teaching in higher education at undergraduate and post graduate levels as a senior lecturer with responsibilities.  I am also completing my PhD.  Some transparency and feedback would be helpful for those who want to be an external.  I would like to hear of others who maybe in the same predicament.

Kindest regards

Patsy

 

From: External examiners discussion forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Samantha
Sent: 18 January 2018 16:19
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Subject: Re: Help!

 

Hi Sam
I do agree with lea. The fees just have not kept up with inflation and with the burgeoning pressures on academics to deliver in other areas coupled with the fact that fewer institutions are now recognising external examinerships as important for career progression The number of people prepared to take on the role is diminishing

Best wishes

Sam Rickenstow

 


On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:57, Crofts, Lee (Dr) <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

More £££££

On 18 Jan 2018, at 14:29, Samira Hussain <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

 

Good afternoon,

 

I am hoping to draw on some collective experience.

 

Is anyone able to share with me any published guidance/best practice at your relevant institutions in the way that you recruit and manage external examiners? 

 

My particular focus is on improving the quality of external examiners which are recruited and also the encouragement of more staff to become external examiners.

 

Please do email me directly [log in to unmask]

 

Kindest regards

 

Sam Hussain
Senior Tutor
Department of Law and Finance

 

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