********************************************************************** To join the list, send the message: subscribe medieval-religion YOUR NAME to: [log in to unmask] To send a message to the list, address it to: [log in to unmask] To leave the list, send the message: unsubscribe medieval-religion to: [log in to unmask] In order to report problems or to contact the list's owners, write to: [log in to unmask] For further information, visit our web site: http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/medieval-religion----- Original Message -----From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Madeleine GraySent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 7:07 PMSubject: Re: [M-R] Readable version of Augustine's confessionsmedieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
I got all the message and it definitely struck a chord. With a lot of my students it's what they perceive as intolerance that upsets them most. Awfully difficult to explain why perfectly nice people thought it was necessary to torture heretics to death.
Mind you, I think we do make things worse for ourselves if we fall into the trap of trying to explain historical phenomena with modern analogies (Henry VIII's Act of Supremacy and Brexit ?)
On 30/07/2016 18:44, Sue Ridyard wrote:
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and cultureAnd now I'm not sure that people are receiving my message, or more than the last sentence of it, since it doesn't seem to post on my email and I don't see it in the most recent post on this thread.I'm a little puzzled by the fact that this sub-thread seems to have started with a quotation from my note describing the significance of "presentist" to someone who asked.My original post explained as follows: It's pretty well-established. Carries the implication that whoever is being "presentist" sees the world from an almost solely contemporary perspective -- I encounter it often, for instance, in reading the Rule of St Benedict and seeing students outraged over the fact that Benedict can think it perfectly reasonable to beat boys who fail in some respect, something that would never enter my head as someone raised in the 70s. Also of course in teaching women's history one endlessly encounters outrage at the limited choices and power available to women. The theme is always: what we do now is the best, and if it hasn't always been this way it should have been. For a Brit teaching in the US, presentist attitudes are complicated by the "what America does is best" syndrome.What I meant by the last sentence is the tendency I see among my students to add the belief that "what WE do is best" to the presentist "what we do NOW is best". I didn't think I needed to include further explanation, but I was referring to the ingrained nature of ideas such as "separation of church and state is best" (unshakable even after a whole semester studying religion and power in the pre-modern world) or, of course, only democracy is a "good" political system. I hasten to add that I don't teach using concepts of "good," "bad" etc.; these are simply ingrained attitudes that I've encountered over a 20+ teaching career in the US and which complicate especially the study of the pre-modern world.Sue
On Jul 30, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Greeley, Prof. June-Ann T. wrote:
medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and cultureWhy has this become so snarky and bitter?Please leave your politics (and hostilities) to your private communications with each other. It is so unprofessional and unnecessary.
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There are two answers to this one.
The Canadian response 'it must be tough living next to the greatest country in the world, but somehow the Americans seem to manage'.
Or the rather more succinct phrase 'gun laws?'
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For a Brit teaching in the US, presentist attitudes are complicated by the "what America does is best" syndrome.