British Medical Association manages to be a professional association and a trade union. Of course they have a bit more leverage, but is that a possibility? The policy to support libraries being taken over by volunteers was annoying, coming from a professional association, which caused me to consciously uncouple from CILIP, but I’m back and glad to see belated progress.
Peter
Peter Gledhill, FHEA
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Library and Student Support Services
Sheffield Hallam University
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From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 18 December 2015 10:53
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
Not quite sure what your first sentence refers to from within my post. However, It is not that I Don’t like Cilip, this is a silly thing to say really. If I had not liked ‘it’ and I can’t understand the use of the term ‘like’ for a body of people, but I have been annoyed, dismayed, fed up, aggravated and despairing over the last few years about some of the actions and non-actions of the Organisation. (I would not have paid up and been involved for so many years! Daft term to use).
I refer to some of the nonsense the Trustees have delivered in the past few years or tried to deliver), and the lack of support, especially in the last year, for the incredible plight, and might I say , destruction of public libraries. While Rome burns, the Board of Trustees (who of course are responsible for setting and maintaining vision , mission and values., etc etc but also Promote the organisation), have not taken up the cause and have been invisible in the fight for public libraries.
The Organisation is there for its members, so to promote it you are or should be , as a Board of Directors ,supporting the members. Over the past few years there has been little evidence of this. I of course refer to that dwindling group of people who are professional librarians still working in Public Libraries. Never a week goes by when another group of public libraries (large and small), is either closing or being put into the hands of some odd organisation, or handed over to worthy and valuable, but not members of the profession or Cilip, i.e. volunteers.
So Phil I do NOT dislike Cilip, I wouldn’t have been a member for c50 years and been heavily involved in the past as a member of the Board, chair of various committees, if I ‘didn’t like them’. A silly phrase I have to say.
But I have despaired of some of the actions and attempts over the last few years to introduce such not very sensible ideas, and I have been totally dismayed at the total lack of good , strong, professional leadership from Cilip, its Board of Trustees and individuals to ‘Stick its neck out’ for public libraries. Just for a practical reason, the fewer libraries, the fewer library staff, the fewer professionally qualified staff, and therefore less income for Cilip? Bit daft isn’t it.
I am delighted there is a petition, and signed it the MOMENT I received it, but it may well be far too late, and it needs far far more to happen than a list of signatures. FAR MORE.
ALL the Trustees should be consulting their local MPs;., should be seeing ministers in parliament (all of them travel to London to go to Board meetings, so they could easily have lobbied on one of these trips). Such important people could have made some sort of impact. The comments you applauded from Nick Poole (and fine words they were), of Hammering on Number 10, has this been done, or is the petition the new stand? (You yourself have said petitions have little value!
Yes Phil it is a step in the right direction, but not the ‘small step for mankind’ sort of step, but one that does need following up in a much stronger and national way, in fact more like the space age, but more quickly, as soon Cilip won’t need a Board of Directors or a CEO, as there will be so few members they could meet in a telephone kiosk.(some of which of course are now ‘free libraries’).
So I am afraid your talents of a genius have let you down, it is not a matter of dislike, it is annoyance and despair! I have moved on, as I said above I signed the MOMENT I received the petition (so doing the job), as I said in a previous post. And Phil you know, I will move to where and when I want, and your comments that verge on a sort of bullying will not deter me!
I recall the best Advocate we had for public Libraries, who drove the work for internet access in public libraries, and produced that brilliant work on public libraries, Lord Matthew Evans, saying, the problem for public libraries is they have no shroud factor’. Well maybe we need to provide one. I will refer to this idea in another posting! Watch and wait!!
I want a strong, listening, active , positive and supportive organisation before I die!!
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Frances Hendrix
From: Phil Bradley [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 17 December 2015 23:30
To: Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
I think that's rather the point of what CILIP is doing at the moment. Seriously Frances, we get that you don't like CILIP; it doesn't take a genius to work that out. You've made your point and some people agree with you, and some don't. Why don't you just move on, and let those of us who want to sign petitions and get behind CILIP get on with doing the job?
Phil.
On 17 December 2015 at 17:11, Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
Thanks heavens it isn’t a trade Union as we would all either be non-existent, or volunteers, or out on strike.
They are a PROFESSIONAL body for the profession, not to sit and see a huge chunk of it go down the drain?
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Frances Hendrix
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Sent: 17 December 2015 15:17
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
Indeed,
I have to agree with Tom & Maureen here – people seem to be forgetting CILIP isn’t a union, it’s a professional body set up by Royal charter. But this is a good move by them and we should get behind it, not complain that they’re not doing enough. If you don’t think “they’re” doing enough, I’m sure your local committee will welcome your help to change that.
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Sent: 17 December 2015 15:02
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
I agree, Tom. This is a good initiative, whether it is late or not, and we should support it. Sniping very publicly at our professional body helps no one.
Maureen.
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From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Roper
Sent: 17 December 2015 14:44
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
It was always the case, in CILIP, and in the LA before that, that people who left the organisation lost the right to use the qualification. Given that, unlike most other professions, we do not control who can or cannot practice and call themselves a librarian, still less an information or knowledge professional, it is probably the only sanction open to us — the more so since the membership, unwisely in my view, rejected a proposal to give revalidation a few teeth.
CILIP has announced a positive initiative, it should be supported.
On 17 December 2015 at 14:06, Charlotte Stock <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
A new pro-active professional body for library staff? I’ll second that!
Charlotte Stock
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Sent: 17 December 2015 13:33
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
This is partly why I’ve never re-joined CILIP (the other part of my reason being their daft name). Venal, anti-democratic philistines have been attacking our marvellous public library service for years now, but do we hear anything from CILIP? What exactly do they do, apart from take a bung (or membership fee) in order to permit professional progression? I’d love to move forward in my career but in order to do so I have to pay off CILIP so that they can sit in Ridgmount Street, counting their (our) money and looking on while this barbarian government dismantles a vital pillar of our democracy. And if I want to keep my CILIP qualification I have to keep paying CILIP! Whoever thought up that nice little earner should be recognised in the Honours List (what am I saying, they probably were).
I have, however, signed the petition and forwarded it to my colleagues in the hope that CILIP are mending their ways. If they don’t, we should seriously think of setting up an alternative to CILIP, one which permits and supports the professional progression of library staff without fleecing them, which is a strong and constructive critic of government and which stands up for the vital service we all provide.
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From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Wynne
Sent: 17 December 2015 12:41
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Subject: FW: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
Completely agree with Frances.
Peter M. Wynne
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From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Alan Beard
Sent: 17 December 2015 12:28
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
Hear hear Frances
From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 17 December 2015 12:15
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
I am just replying to myself, as well as all readers of Lis Pub as I was rushing out when the email on the ‘ My Library by Right’ posting came, I had not read the Allman apology (or at least that is how I read it), to the ‘planned’ lack of any obvious action previously by Cilip.
The work he professes was and has been done in lobbying the government over 5 years, was, as he says in a contorted way, was a ‘whispering’ campaign, so as not to rock the boat (Not Northern Rock I might add which he mentions in his 2 paragraphs).
We’ll all I can say, ‘he/they could have fooled me’, in fact did!
Many brave, courageous, outspoken, challenging people across the country , both professional and nonprofessional librarians, volunteers in public libraries and many many users have been out loud and bold in trying to stop this long and disgraceful attack on one of the UKs most relevant, important and fantastic heritage and service.
NOW that it can hardly get any worse Cilip stands to be counted.
Sorry, if this go slow was your intended strategy, you missed the boat!!
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Frances Hendrix
From: A general library and information science list for news and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
Sent: 17 December 2015 12:01
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Subject: Re: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
Thank you for the email
I have signed it, and of course I would and hopefully many many others.
BUT it is very late in the day., decisions have been made by so many local authorities it is unlikely they will change their minds. Also at Christmas time people have their minds and actions doing charitable work, or so busy with family matters this may just get lost.
Send again in Mid-January please
And don’t let this be the ONLY ACTION CILIP Takes.
MORE PLEASE
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Frances Hendrix
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Sent: 17 December 2015 11:56
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Subject: FW: CILIP's "My Library By Right" campaign - sign the petition
My Library By Right is a new campaign from the Chartered Institute of Library & Information Professionals (CILIP) that champions the public’s right to libraries.
Public libraries received more than 265 million visits in 2014-15 but despite this many library services are being put at risk through a combination of neglect, short-term thinking and the failure of HM Government to carry out their legal duty to the public.
Under English law, everyone has a right to quality public library services provided by Local Authorities using guidance that the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport is obliged to provide.
However, these rights are not widely understood and are being neglected in the face of economic pressures. This is putting important principles at risk, including the ability to access a quality library service wherever you live and at times to suit you.
My Library By Right builds on legal advice received pro bono from celebrated Human Rights Barrister Eric Metcalfe of Monckton Chambers. This advice highlights the legal duty of DCMS Secretary of State John Whittingdale to provide clear statutory guidance on the definition of a ‘comprehensive and efficient’ service.
The campaign calls for:
• The public’s rights to libraries to be recognised and respected
• Public libraries to be treated as the statutory services they are
• The Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) to carry out their legal duties under the 1964 Public Libraries and Museums Act
• Statutory guidance for local authorities on their duties under the 1964 Public Libraries and Museums Act from DCMS, with support from CILIP and the library and information profession
Campaign activities:
CILIP will hold DCMS accountable for carrying out their duties under the 1964 Act including providing statutory guidance for Local Authorities, to superintend the statutory guidance with the Local Government Association, and to develop robust policies that support the development of public libraries in England.
Key campaign activities will include:
• A petition calling on the Government<https://www.change.org/p/john-whittingdale-hm-government-act-now-to-protect-my-statutory-rights-to-a-quality-public-library-service/preview> to fulfil their statutory obligations
• Engagement with the Leadership for Libraries Taskforce<https://librariestaskforce.blog.gov.uk/> to develop robust proposals for the improvement of public libraries
• Publication of a Public Libraries White Paper in early 2016 setting out realistic and achievable options for investing in the public library network
• National Libraries Day <http://www.nationallibrariesday.org.uk/> on the 6th of February celebrating public libraries and encouraging the public toJoin It, Use It, Love It!
• A parliamentary lobby on the 9th of February organised by Speak up for Libraries<http://speakupforlibraries.org/> whose members include UNISON, CILIP, The Library Campaign, Voices for the Library and the Campaign for the Book
Support the campaign: http://www.cilip.org.uk/advocacy-campaigns-awards/advocacy-campaigns/my-library-right
Sign the petition: https://www.change.org/p/john-whittingdale-hm-government-act-now-to-protect-my-statutory-rights-to-a-quality-public-library-service
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