Grose's Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue, and various works on the canting 
language of the 16th-, 17th- centuries are worth consideration.
But this does raise an interesting question-mark over mores of the past. I 
have, as a re-enactor, often wondered about the extent to which myths about 
bodily functions are truths. It has been argued that (I do 17th-century) men 
would urinate into the corners of fireplaces and even into their thigh 
boots, but is this factual or nonsense? Women's places in church are said to 
have been rich sources of saltpetre because they would urinate under their 
skirts. Were people coy about voiding, or was it as normal as eating and 
drinking? After all, if urine was collected for industrial uses, then it 
suggests that people viewed it in a rather different way than we tends to 
today, and of course the appearance, smell and taste of urine was an 
important part of the physician's repertory. The evidence in some paintings 
suggests that people were prepared to empty their bowels in plain sight, and 
such practices are still the (admittedly unwise and unhealthy) norm in parts 
of the world today, just as spitting is in others.
Taking this in context, if urination and defecation were simply natural 
processes with as little embarrassment as if an animal were doing them, 
surely the approach to terminology would have been far less precious than it 
has tended to be in later years?

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 2:43 PM Subject: Re: Help me: Old English 
crude language

John, Carol,

thanks for the help.

I finally found Robert Frank's "Sex in the Dictionary of Old English"
itself within: "Unlocking the Wordhord: Anglo-Saxon Studies in Memory of
Edward B. Irving, Jr."

However, John raised an interesting point about whether references to
sexual anatomy were or were not seen as "crude" (lewd, vulgar). And the
riddles are just confusing me - as I can't work out whether they were
more or less open about sex at that period.


On 18/10/2015 11:50, Carol Primrose wrote:
> They certainly enjoyed 'doubles entendres' . Once again I refer you to the 
> Riddles, see: 
> Carol
> From: John Clark
> Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 10:59 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [BRITARCH] Help me: Old English crude language
> Mike
> I just don't think you should expect to find Old English 'crude language'. 
> Why assume that they felt that certain parts of the human body and certain 
> bodily functions were so 'unclean' they must not be 'named' or that the 
> name must not be spoken in polite society? That sounds Biblical to me.
> If on the other hand you are looking for words that they would use as a 
> matter of course but that WE regard as 'crude', then looking up the 
> etymology of the 'dirty words' in the OED is a good start.
> John C
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