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Hello All,

It strikes me that The Space, Arts Catalyst, and the upcoming Barbican exhibition are encouraging main stream press and media coverage for digital art (define as you will, I was referred to as a 'multimedia artist' in the press yesterday and felt like rolling out my CD-ROMs). This is very positive! One patchy book review probably doesn't deserve such oxygen.

As Victoria mentioned Hack the Space was intense. Most hackathon events are mainly because they are a competition. Curiously, this hack had the biggest prizes (£4000 to the winners, unexpectedly) that I've ever come across, and no-one paid to go, no-one set an API biased agenda (hello Dev Art), and no-one was wearing a tie or a Google Glass. It was a genuinely enjoyable event. They even had soya milk.

In response to Victoria's comment about setting a precedent: I think there isn't much illusion that an artwork can be made in such a short period of time, but an arthack can - a quick and dirty prototype of a concept. In a tech hack the works that come out are generally suggestions or wireframes not full products, there is always more work to be done.

In contrast there are many artists who work very quickly in paint or pencil, so much that in a 20 hour hack they could probably produce a whole body of work (albeit sitting on the shoulders of 20 years practise).

Julie


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On 19 Jun 2014, at 15:12, Victoria Bradbury <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Sarah and All,
> 
> #HacktheSpace was an "intense" event, I would say.  It was exciting to be
> involved in, particularly because of meeting new people, sleeping in the
> turbine hall (ever-so-briefly), working on a new project, and
> watching/being a part of the spectacle.
> 
> The thing that hangs with me, though, is this perspective that gets sent to
> the world that "art" can or should be made in a quick, competitive fashion.
> Or perhaps that digital art is something that happens quickly and easily.
> The process of art-making is different for everyone, but in my practice, I
> make hand-make objects that work in tandem with custom code.  Both of these
> take time.  It would probably be seen as very strange for a turbine hall of
> painters to be asked to make paintings in 20 hours or less with little to
> no sleep.
> 
> In addition to the spectators on the balcony, there were many people
> milling about the hall during the making day/night, talking to the groups.
> The time to conceive of and implement the project was short, and during
> the process, we were constantly being asked what we were doing, what was
> the concept, etc..  So after 20 hours, you have collaboratively created
> something in haste and are then asked to stand by it and attach your
> name/identity to it.  I am pleased with what the prototype our group
> produced, but had I not been, it was a very public setting in which to be
> linked with a project and a concept.
> 
> The event was well run by 3 Beards and The Space and overall it ran
> smoothly.  We were well-fed and generally looked after.  I was pleased to
> participate and am watching to see where Art Hacks go from here.
> 
> Victoria
> 
> -- 
> // Victoria Bradbury
> <PROJECTS> www.victoriabradbury.com
> Researcher @ www.crumbweb.org
> New Media Caucus <http://www.newmediacaucus.org/> <CommComm>
> Attaya Projects <http://attayaprojects.com/> // Collaborator
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Sarah Cook <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> 
>> on the ongoing question of digital arts coverage in the media, and the
>> earlier thread about the digital art hack at the Tate, here's another
>> article for consideration, in which Ruth MacKenzie is quoted rather more
>> favourably (as Hannah was good to point out)...
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/jun/16/hack-the-space-tate-modern
>> 
>> CRUMB's PhD student, Victoria Bradbury, who is quoted in the article, will
>> no doubt have some interesting findings to report on her participation in
>> due course,
>> 
>> Sarah
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18 Jun 2014, at 16:41, marc garrett <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Nicholas & all,
>> 
>>> So instead of operating in the suburbs, how could the list propose that
>> it is in fact the
>>> art world that is suburban - with its gated community paywalls, whitecube
>> picket fences,
>>> and McMansions Art Centers - instead of the other way around.
>> 
>> I agree with the above & Sarah’s post on the matter works for me.
>> 
>> Anyway — I’m too busy at the moment with our ‘provincial’ exhibition. A
>> collaboration with The Arts Catalyst “SEFT-1 Abandoned Railways Exploration
>> Probe: Modern Ruins 1:220 — Ivan Puig and Andrés Padilla Domene”
>> http://go.shr.lc/1jy7AJo
>> 
>> It was featured in the Guardian last week by Jonathan jones ‘The
>> ruin-hunters who drove a car down Mexico's forgotten railways’
>> http://go.shr.lc/1qwbV4K
>> 
>> And will be featured on the BBC news on Friday…
>> 
>> Oh wait! I get it, it’s seen as ‘provincial’ because the work successfully
>> reaches people, beyond their art establishment silos. Of course ;-)
>> 
>> bye for now.
>> 
>> marc
>> 
>> 
>>> Sarah + all:
>>> 
>>> I actually think that there's some stuff worth engaging in this...
>>> 
>>> I haven't read Joanne's book, so I can't speak to the ways in which this
>>> piece fails as a review, but this closing statement definitely sent a
>>> shiver down my browser:
>>> 
>>> "The problem with the book, as with internet art, is that no one has
>>> recognised the aesthetic problems of provincial conversation. Work by
>>> artists who turn inward to have hushed talks with a small coterie about
>>> local problems will have little effect on culture at large. McLuhan’s
>>> global village may have its merits, but the cultural celebration of
>>> marginalism in art is not one of them."
>>> 
>>> The reactionary in me would outright disagree with this, but I did have a
>>> moment of thinking bout who does address the aesthetic problems of the
>>> "provincial conversation" of internet art. So maybe as a way of thinking
>>> about outright disagreeing with Pac Pobric, the list might suggest some
>>> compelling counters?
>>> 
>>> To that end, the metric of cultural relevance as proposed in this article
>>> is squarely situated in archaic models of art presentation/distribution
>> (I
>>> think that a lot of us can agree on that). So instead of operating in the
>>> suburbs, how could the list propose that it is in fact the art world that
>>> is suburban - with its gated community paywalls, whitecube picket fences,
>>> and McMansions Art Centers - instead of the other way around.
>>> 
>>> very best
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Kelani Nichole <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> He is based in Brooklyn, no worries tho y'all I already invited him to
>> our
>>>> next opening at TRANSFER – Claudia Maté on July 12 :D
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bests,
>>>> Kelani Nichole
>>>> 
>>>> Curatorial Director, TRANSFER
>>>> http://transfer.gallery
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, marc garrett <
>>>> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wow!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Where do they find these people?
>>>>> 
>>>>> marc
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi CRUMBs
>>>>>> thought you might be interested to read this article about internet
>> art,
>>>>>> which is a thin review of the book Art and the Internet, Joanne McNeil
>>>> et
>>>>>> al, Black Dog Publishing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Internet-art-fails-to-click/32983
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It suggests that internet art takes place in the suburbs, that it is
>>>>>> provincial.
>>>>>> Use it as yet another rallying cry to improve the art history of this
>>>>>> field of practice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ===
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dr. Sarah Cook
>>>>>> Reader / Dundee Fellow
>>>>>> Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design
>>>>>> University of Dundee
>>>>>> 13 Perth Road DD1 4HT
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> phone: 01382 385247
>>>>>> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No:
>> SC015096
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --->
>>>>> 
>>>>> A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood -
>>>>> proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Other reviews,articles,interviews
>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php
>>>>> 
>>>>> Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing,
>>>>> discussing and learning about experimental practices at the
>>>>> intersections of art, technology and social change.
>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London).
>>>>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>>>>> 
>>>>> Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community.
>>>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://identi.ca/furtherfield
>>>>> http://twitter.com/furtherfield
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> --->
>> 
>> A living - breathing - thriving networked neighbourhood -
>> proud of free culture - claiming it with others ;)
>> 
>> Other reviews,articles,interviews
>> http://www.furtherfield.org/reviews.php
>> 
>> Furtherfield – online arts community, platforms for creating, viewing,
>> discussing and learning about experimental practices at the
>> intersections of art, technology and social change.
>> http://www.furtherfield.org
>> 
>> Furtherfield Gallery – Finsbury Park (London).
>> http://www.furtherfield.org/gallery
>> 
>> Netbehaviour - Networked Artists List Community.
>> http://www.netbehaviour.org
>> 
>> http://identi.ca/furtherfield
>> http://twitter.com/furtherfield
>> 
>> ===
>> 
>> Dr. Sarah Cook
>> Reader / Dundee Fellow
>> Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design
>> University of Dundee
>> 13 Perth Road DD1 4HT
>> 
>> phone: 01382 385247
>> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No: SC015096
>>