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Hi all

I was at The Space launch because I'm working with Julie Freeman and the Open Data Institute on her new commission for The Space, in collaboration with ODI. I heard Ruth McKenzie speaking. The Motherboard quote isn't 100% accurate and is taken out of context in a way which makes her comments which I heard as aiming to champion artists using code and other unstable media sound like she was dismissive in a way she really wasn't. I understood her point to be that there hasn't been a space that welcomed all practitioners, inclusive of artists who work with new technologies. Granted the language used, and you could say the overall ambition of The Space is other, perhaps less precise, perhaps more widely embracing, than committed Media art curators would be. But it's interesting I think and timely. I'm interested to see how it works because of the fact it's hoping to be such a broad church.

As to that review, I just felt tired. It veered towards raising good points but shot itself in the foot by being a bit too snide. Shame. Looking forward to reading the book though...

Hannah

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> On 18 Jun 2014, at 16:19, Sarah Cook <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Hi all
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> Combined with the blurb from the article that Nora posted, this has indeed brought a chill to an otherwise sunny afternoon. I am finding the amnesia in the art world about recent (last 20 years?) net-inflected art practices increasingly difficult to put up with, particularly when even those who are openly supportive of media practices don't remember an art work made a decade ago because it was only shown once, in a show they didn't see, or it was not well documented. Surely our role as curators is also to continue to research, and talk and write about recent histories and not just the new thing. As for writing about 'the provincial' - it has always been a question of translating the discourse from one of the many art worlds over to another one, as many on this list continue to try to do. I've always been happy to work on the edges of places, as they are generally more interesting.
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> wishing I were in Dublin for the opening of Glitch,
> Sarah
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> On 18 Jun 2014, at 15:27, Nicholas O'Brien <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
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> Sarah + all:
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> I actually think that there's some stuff worth engaging in this...
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> I haven't read Joanne's book, so I can't speak to the ways in which this
> piece fails as a review, but this closing statement definitely sent a
> shiver down my browser:
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> "The problem with the book, as with internet art, is that no one has
> recognised the aesthetic problems of provincial conversation. Work by
> artists who turn inward to have hushed talks with a small coterie about
> local problems will have little effect on culture at large. McLuhan’s
> global village may have its merits, but the cultural celebration of
> marginalism in art is not one of them."
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> The reactionary in me would outright disagree with this, but I did have a
> moment of thinking bout who does address the aesthetic problems of the
> "provincial conversation" of internet art. So maybe as a way of thinking
> about outright disagreeing with Pac Pobric, the list might suggest some
> compelling counters?
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> To that end, the metric of cultural relevance as proposed in this article
> is squarely situated in archaic models of art presentation/distribution (I
> think that a lot of us can agree on that). So instead of operating in the
> suburbs, how could the list propose that it is in fact the art world that
> is suburban - with its gated community paywalls, whitecube picket fences,
> and McMansions Art Centers - instead of the other way around.
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> very best
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> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Kelani Nichole <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
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> He is based in Brooklyn, no worries tho y'all I already invited him to our
> next opening at TRANSFER – Claudia Maté on July 12 :D
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> Bests,
> Kelani Nichole
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> Curatorial Director, TRANSFER
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> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:49 AM, marc garrett <
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> Wow!
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> Where do they find these people?
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> Hi CRUMBs
> thought you might be interested to read this article about internet art,
> which is a thin review of the book Art and the Internet, Joanne McNeil
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> al, Black Dog Publishing.
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> http://www.theartnewspaper.com/articles/Internet-art-fails-to-click/32983
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> It suggests that internet art takes place in the suburbs, that it is
> provincial.
> Use it as yet another rallying cry to improve the art history of this
> field of practice.
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> Sarah
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