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Pat If its non profit its not profitable after all costs are accounted for, which raises an issue about what the costs are and so what the 'cost price' is. For example its common in universities for the cost of an academic to include not only their salary but also a whole load of overheads. This can almost double the cost and includes an automatic allocation to all sorts of general expenses. Did you mean 'direct costs'? This sort of discussion also comes up when charities charge large admin fees. For example including large salaries. This may not be the solution that you are looking for? Chris ________________________________________ From: Pat Lockley [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 18 March 2014 10:41 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: non-profit = non-commercial Hello all, Discussion in the other place led me to an sticking point with NC licenses If there was a site which sold - at cost price - physical copies of presently digital OER, say bound printed epubs or CDs / DVDs, and in the sale of these items made no profit (so was non-profit / provident?) would you consider that commercial? Thinking is for people who don't have easy access to the internet this might prove a useful intermediary Pat -- The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt charity in England & Wales and a charity registered in Scotland (SC 038302).