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pedro

maybe thats equally disturbing given the large
number of pioneers in art and technology
in south america !!

roger


On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:24 AM, pedro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> roger
>
> appreciate your comments, but in this specific case i dont see how they
> apply. the curator is spanish speaking and none of the "pioneers" are !
>
> but yes, i love nahum too :)
>
> best
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:08 AM, roger malina <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
>
>> bronac
>>
>> yes we have already had a discussion on the yasmin list and one of the
>> points that i tried to make is that the gender issue is only one of many
>> exclusion mechanisms in our social processes- and that curators
>> as key gatekeepers in our ecology play important roles- this l,ist would
>> be a good place to discuss the diversity in curators themselves
>>
>> dont know what the gender statistics are for curators in the art-sci-tech
>> community of practice
>>
>> by coming back to the exclusion point- i also noted the research
>> these days about homophily in social media and that there is much
>> evidence that social media and on line behaviour tends to reinforce
>> like minded people to cluster - and greater polarisation than in physical
>> space
>>
>> an easy example is linguistic segregation and that curators naturally
>> work with artists whose language they share ( and i think that was
>> the comment re no french artists in the exhibition being discussed here)
>>
>> several of us have been going every year to the Kosmica events in mexico
>> city
>> organised by nahum mantra and one of the delights there- in an
>> esoteric community of practice- has been the bridging of language
>> groups in space arts and becoming aware of the work of mexican
>> artists in space arts- even though their work is on the web- we
>> tend to read web sites in our own language even if there are now
>> crude translation tools- of course the fact that search engines re inforce
>> the linguistic segregation adds to this..as a curator nahum mantra
>> navigates seamlessly between the english and spanish speaking worlds
>> and this translation role enables more inclusion
>>
>> so i think we need to broaden the gender discussion in the history
>> of our field to other exclusion mechanisms
>>
>> roger malina
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 8:35 AM, pedro <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > Annick, many thanks for the info - do you have links ? pdfs ?
>> >
>> > best
>> >
>> > pedro
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Ricardo Dal Farra has done a comprehensive survey of South American
>> > > pionners in contemporary-electronic music.
>> > > Many researchers are currently working on pioneers in Chile.
>> > > The Brazilian are quite well documented (in English in Leonardo and in
>> > > French in the book I edited for the @rt Outsiders Festival in 2005)
>> > > This history is being writen, documented, and discussed in places like
>> > the
>> > > conf. Media Art Histories and also in some sessions at ISEA.
>> > > It is NOT the documentation that is really missing ...
>> > >
>> > > annick
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Le 05/02/14 15:25, pedro a écrit :
>> > >
>> > >  sarah, that is excellent news - thanks for that info.
>> > >>
>> > >> right ashok, only europe and united states (and one japanese,
>> resident
>> > in
>> > >> paris) are represented !
>> > >>
>> > >> ah sorry, there are 3 bogotá boys - emerging contemporary artists and
>> > >> university teachers -  i can only imagine that they are friends of
>> the
>> > >> curator because they are certainly not "responsible for pioneering
>> > >> processes and innovations that we use regularly to communicate
>> research,
>> > >> ideas and ideology"  ...
>> > >>
>> > >> laura - maybe you could ask John Angel to have a look at this thread
>> and
>> > >> help us understand the context of his curatorial decisions ... it
>> would
>> > be
>> > >> very helpful. Would be great to see the budget too (Bill Viola ?
>> Damien
>> > >> Hisrt (sic) ????) but that's probably asking too much.
>> > >>
>> > >> A pair of my favourite south american pioneers : Juan Downey (from
>> > chile,
>> > >> pioneer of video and interactive art, co-editor of Radical Software)
>> and
>> > >> Jacqueline Nova, the first electroacoustic music composer in
>> Colombia.
>> > >> Tellingly both artists lived much of their lives in the north (Juan
>> in
>> > NYC
>> > >> and Jacqueline in Paris). However, they are both dead.
>> > >>
>> > >> best
>> > >>
>> > >> pedro
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:56 AM, Sarah Cook <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>  further to this discussion some of you may have noticed the
>> > Art+Feminism
>> > >>> Wikipedia Edit-a-thon which took place across the globe on Saturday
>> > >>> February 1st.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism
>> > >>> http://artandfeminism.tumblr.com/
>> > >>> https://eyebeam.org/events/art-feminism-wikipedia-edit-a-thon
>> > >>> 80 or so new articles were created, and more than 60 expanded or
>> > cleaned
>> > >>> up, and a movement was started.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> In Dundee we are going to host another one, probably March 13th, and
>> > >>> start
>> > >>> to have regular get-togethers to increase the amount of information
>> > about
>> > >>> women artists on that most global of resources.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> If you want to add to the list of pages which need editing or
>> creating
>> > on
>> > >>> Wikipedia, please do so.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> and yes, I agree, it is a race and gender issue.... and I feel we
>> need to
>>
>> > >>> be
>> > >>> aware with exhibitions that they are a key part in the
>> historicisation
>> > >>> of a
>> > >>> field of practice, especially when they are the "first" show on a
>> topic
>> > >>> in
>> > >>> a place or a show that purports to show "pioneers" - how can we
>> balance
>> > >>> this hyperbole around the practice and complicate the picture of the
>> > >>> field
>> > >>> we work in? This particular show in question was collectively
>> curated,
>> > >>> but
>> > >>> raises an important problem in this regard.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> sarah
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 5 Feb 2014, at 12:35, Bronac Ferran <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
>> > >>> [log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Hi Annick and colleagues
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The exhibition in Bogota was curated by John Angel Rodriquez - yes?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There has also be some exchange on the Yasmin list about this. One
>> > >>> contributor commented that there were no French artists involved. I
>> > don't
>> > >>> know if this was a serious comment.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Liliane Lijn is someone whose work has been pioneering in many
>> senses.
>> > >>> She
>> > >>> wrote a lovely essay recently called Poetry, Language, Code,
>> Industry
>> > >>> which
>> > >>> we commissioned for the Visualise: Making Art in Context publication
>> > >>> (published by Anglia Ruskin University November 2013). If anyone
>> wishes
>> > >>> to
>> > >>> contact me offlist I can try to send you the book or at least the
>> > essay.
>> > >>> Annick, it is not (yet) in French but I guess could be easily
>> > translated
>> > >>> -
>> > >>> I could ask Liliane -  and certainly it offers good insights into
>> the
>> > >>> nature of being a female artist on pioneering ground over the past
>> five
>> > >>> decades.
>> > >>> Best wishes
>> > >>> B
>> > >>> Sent from my BlackBerry smartphone from Virgin Media
>> > >>>
>> > >>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>> From:         Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
>> > >>> [log in to unmask]
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>  Sender:       "Curating digital art - www.crumbweb.org<
>> > >>> http://www.crumbweb.org>" <[log in to unmask]
>> <mailto:
>> > >>> [log in to unmask]>>
>> > >>> Date:         Wed, 5 Feb 2014 12:51:18
>> > >>> To: <[log in to unmask]<mailto:
>> > >>> [log in to unmask]>>
>> > >>> Reply-To:     Annick Bureaud <[log in to unmask]<mailto:bur
>> > >>> [log in to unmask]
>> > >>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>>  Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] digital / analogue exhibition
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The spontaneous list was necessary as a reaction, but I
>> > >>> would be more reluctant in building a map : it puts again
>> > >>> women in an inferior position.
>> > >>> Reacting, like in this case, is more important to me and of
>> > >>> course including them in exhibitions, conferences, etc. And
>> > >>> documenting their work through art history research and writing.
>> > >>> This said, in the Leonardo/Olats Pioneers & Pathbreakers
>> > >>> project : only one women + a couple !!! Ouch ! Should I do
>> > >>> what I advocate for ?!
>> > >>> OK. We did not move further into this project by lack of
>> > >>> fundings, but still...
>> > >>> If someone is ready to write in French about a woman, I
>> > >>> would be delighted. I would love to have something on Vera
>> > >>> Molnar. At the moment, I have zero budget to move on, on
>> > >>> this project ... and it does take real time to do it in a
>> > >>> professional way.
>> > >>> If someone is interested ....
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Annick
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Le 05/02/14 12:01, Prof. Monika Fleischmann a écrit :
>> > >>> .... working on a growing map would be a really nice idea.
>> > >>> Monika
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Am 05.02.14 11:39, schrieb Pauline van Mourik Broekman:
>> > >>> Hey Marc, no sweat, that's how I - for one - read it
>> > >>> completely; and I
>> > >>> really don't understand how anyone could be insulted by
>> > >>> such an incredibly
>> > >>> generous list. Clearly, we're not looking here for an
>> > >>> ultimate and newly
>> > >>> objective 'map', that's the whole point! We're looking
>> > >>> more for an
>> > >>> approach and awareness, of different partialities, and how
>> > >>> to robustly
>> > >>> tilt them......
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Thanks for the hour, and hours, you put in :)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Pauline.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> marc garrett wrote:
>> > >>> Hi all,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I just wanted to respond to those surprised I did not
>> > >>> included them in
>> > >>> the list.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Well, of course I'm going to miss out names and you're
>> > >>> missing the
>> > >>> point. It's an example not a literal replacement.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I spent an hour of my time compiling the selected
>> > >>> 'female' names to
>> > >>> highlight how extensive this issue is.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We need to change this not by compiling lists (it's a
>> > >>> start) but by
>> > >>> challenging our own compliance allowing it to happen. It
>> > >>> misrepresents
>> > >>> our culture and practice and we should be embarrassed if
>> > >>> we let it go on.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> When ever women and working class people, are viewed
>> > >>> through the usual
>> > >>> protocols and defaults of the patriarchal gaze of an
>> > >>> 'assumed'
>> > >>> objectivity. It implements a mythology via processes of
>> > >>> non-inclusion.
>> > >>> This enhances the condition to further introduce the idea
>> > >>> of women and
>> > >>> others not included as subordinates rather than as being
>> > >>> part of the
>> > >>> whole story.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Recognizing this condition is the start of being
>> > >>> conscious of it.
>> > >>> Critiquing this repeated behaviour demands another level
>> > >>> of engagement.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> To borrow a phrase from Haraway, it would have to be "a
>> > >>> feminist voice;
>> > >>> it is also a whisper of humanism".
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Wishing you well.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> marc
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> --
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ------------------------
>> > >>> Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>)
>> > >>> tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
>> > >>> mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
>> > >>> Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
>> > >>> Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
>> > >>> Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
>> > >>> -------------------------
>> > >>>
>> > >>> ===
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Dr. Sarah Cook
>> > >>> Reader / Dundee Fellow
>> > >>> Duncan of Jordanstone College of Art and Design
>> > >>> University of Dundee
>> > >>> 13 Perth Road DD1 4HT
>> > >>>
>> > >>> phone: 01382 385247
>> > >>> email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The University of Dundee is a registered Scottish Charity, No:
>> SC015096
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > ------------------------
>> > > Annick Bureaud ([log in to unmask])
>> > > tel: 33/(0)1 43 20 92 23
>> > > mobile/cell : 33/(0)6 86 77 65 76
>> > > Leonardo/Olats : http://www.olats.org
>> > > Web : http://www.annickbureaud.net
>> > > Collectif Nunc : http://www.nunc.com
>> > > -------------------------
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Roger F Malina
>> Is in Texas right now
>> please contact me by email but
>> for very very urgent things phone/text me me
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>>
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