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Okay, here goes ... and I'll start by thanking Jon and Roger for punching
the appropriate buttons here! I'm posting my comments inter-linearly along
the way below...
~~
If your first move is brilliant, you’re in trouble. You don’t really know
how to follow it; you’re frightened of ruining it. So, to make a mess is a
good beginning. — Brian Eno


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Jon Ippolito <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Dennis, Roger--
>
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 11:38 AM, Dennis Moser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> librarians have, in fact, been trying to get beyond the idea that metadata
> is simply about "pages and spines." :) ....  we are not your great
> grandfather's librarians.
>
>
> Sorry if I didn't give librarians enough credit, as you're way ahead of
> most art documentarians. I understand that the leading libraries have gone
> beyond the first step of just capturing the files to the second step
> of capturing relationships.
>
> My beef with almost every metadata standard today is that they don't
> continue to step three, namely documenting what to do when those
> relationships fail. And we damn well know they will.
>

Agreed, absolutely, about the metadata standards...and worse, the concept
of "documentalism" NEEDS to be restored to the corpus of knowledge
belonging to librarians. Coders can be just as bad (when's the last time
you heard a coder say that they self-comment their code religiously...yes,
some do and it is a joy to see their code!).


> I was deeply appreciative of the Archivists Roundtable of Metropolitan New
> York and the symposium (2011) that addressed the issues surrounding
> artists' records in archival collections
>
>
> I'd love to hear more. Are there any, er, records of this conversation?
>

GRIN. Was that a softball lob in my direction? Here ya go:

Available a couple of ways, the Proceedings of the 2011 Archivist Round
Table of Metropolitan New York Symposium, entitled "Artists’ Records in the
Archives"

http://www.nycarchivists.org/proceedings

You're welcome!


> On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:00 AM, roger malina <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> born digital art historians at the Leonardo Symposium on Arts, Humanities
> and Complex networks-
> http://ahcncompanion.info/
>
>
> Shoulda remembered this, as I participated in it. Wetware failure :P
>

It happens ...

>
> i think we are seing the typical generational transition in institutions
> with
> the problem that unstable media may decay before the generational
> replacement !
>
>
> Ha!
> If only we could bottle those unstable media in time capsules to be opened
> by our grandchildren. But now that both artifacts and containers are
> digital, it's as though we've built solander boxes to hold flowers that are
> as fragile as the specimens they are meant to protect.
>

I love the metaphor ...


>
> DMA just launched a Museum Technology Program
> http://dallasmuseumofart.org/PressRoom/dma_485423
>
>
> Looks like a good crew assembled for this project.
>

Yes, excited and looking forward to seeing what they are able to do.

My only concern is that this not become another "Flavor of the Month" — I
don't think it will so long as we continue to draw attention to the problem
and keep folks on focus about it.


>
> jon
>

Again, thanks for all of this!

Best to all on the eve of a long (much-deserved) weekend here in the US,

Dennis