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Dear All Very belatedly I had an idea on this. I searched Kipling's Works for references to New York and found on at least two occasions he referred to 'New York State' rather than plain 'New York'. I didn't spot any references to 'New York City'. So despite all the good work that has been done by other members, I decided to add it to the discussion. The mentions of the State are in "Chautaquaed" which was published in Abaft the Funnel, although it was one of the Letters that was written at the time of his journey back from India via the USA to England. The Professor retired into his hammock for a while. Then he reappeared flushed with a new thought. "If you want to see something quite new let's go to Chautauqua." "What's that?" "Well, it's a sort of institution. It's an educational idea, and it lives on the borders of a lake in New York State. I think you'll find it interesting; and I know it wil show you a new side of American life." Another from the series of Letters from the same time is in "An Interview with Mark Twain", From Sea to Sea, Chap XXXVII: Saved from the jaws of the cowcatcher, me wandering devious a stranger met. ‘Elmira is the place. Elmira in the State of New York—this State, not two hundred miles away’; and he added, perfectly unnecessarily, ‘Slide, Kelley, slide.’ On the opposite side of the scale, from "My Sunday at Home" (The Day's Work) we find the description: ." . . he was a New Yorker from New York" Yours, David Page ________________________________ From: Alastair Wilson <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Tuesday, 5 March 2013, 15:04 Subject: New York or New York City Please will one of our US members give me as definitivean answer as is possible. Over in the UK, when one says "New York", 99 times out of 100 we mean New York City - probably more like 999 times out of 1000. (Indeed, I wouldn't mind betting that, even among educated Brits, a very substantial portion wouldn't know the difference between NYC and NY). But I've always understoodthat US citizens will nearly always refer to the city as New York City. I ask because, in the Carrington extracts of Carrie Kipling's diaries, Carrington, when he is paraphrasing and not using Carrie's own words, tends to use 'New York' rather than New York City. Is he just being an ignorant Brit? Or might Carrie quite frequently have referred to the city merely as 'New York'? Alastair Wilson