The problem with the word ‘consumer’ is that it assumes that the operation of the market will deliver choice and control for disabled people.  The evidence is that, to the contrary, the market is not very good at all at delivering services which protect and promote disabled (and older) people’s human rights, let alone deliver choice and control.  

 


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  Hi Paul,  

Lots of people these days, are put off by the word consumers. How do you understand that word?

A bit of history, as I recall it.  

 Back in the days of Zola ‘s independent living(1970-1990)  

 The term “Consumer”  meant, that persons with disabilities had to have the means(financial included to make choices).the term is bit capitalist,  I admit. And did some critique of it myself.   In retrospect, I think, in the end if people’s  choices are determined by what  government and bureaucracy  decided that is needed; we are not independent or interdependent. That is true regardless of  who we are, but more so as “disabled person” (oppress group). Consumers in sense of having  the  means to have choices  allows  us to become “ people with disability” (liberated group).

 

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The word “Consumers” in that title is enough to put me off!

 

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HI Marion. This might be helpful. 

 

White G., Simpson J., Gonda C., Ravesloot C. and Coble Z. ( 2010) Moving from Independence to Interdependence: A Conceptual Model for Better Understanding Community Participation of Centres for Independent Living Consumers. Journal of Disability Policy Studies, 2(4) :233-240. 

 


Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 03:08:50 +0000
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Does anyone have any references for discussion of the differences between interdependence and independence?   I also suspect there may be cultural factors, with more collectivist cultures preferring interdependence and more individualist cultures focusing on independence.
Marion

On 05/11/2012 12:21, Tsitsi Chataika wrote:

This is an interesting discussion. I am one person who is against the notion of 
'independent'. I prefer the term 'interdependent' since we all depend on each 
other. Hence to expect that disabled people should be independent is to dispute 
the concept of 'ubuntu'. I am what I am because of other people. This is the way 
to go. I am still yet to see an independent person. In any case, what is 
independence? Is anyone independent. We rely on other people in order to fulfill 
our own obligations. Kate has itemised some of them. Even to go on a trip, one 
has to rely on visa coming on time; the taxi driver coming on time;  the mood 
of  immigration official, and the pilot taking them from point A to B. The 
concept of ubuntu suggests that we are all here because of other people, and 
therefore we should embrace and celebrate diversity.
 
Tsitsi
 
 
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    This is a really critical topic and seems to find itself at odds with much
    of the human rights rhetoric around disability. This is unfortunate as care
    and dependency are real issues for everybody. I think Kittay's work provides
    a good framework for thinking about this within the broader theories of an
    ethics of care.
    Eva Feder Kittay (1999) Loves Labor. Routledge. New York. I would love to
    hear from others on the list who are using this approach.
    Judy
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    I would take this further; today, for example, I relied on city workers to
    clean up storm debris, municipal workers to maintain (kind of) the road I
    bump my cargo trike along, a teacher and school staff to care for my
    six-year-old, the staff of a Y facility to run the facility and to care for
    my one-year-old while my partner exercised, the invisible actions of
    various service providers to keep me online, connected by telephone and
    setup with electricity, water and gas here at my home --  and on and on. 
    It's obvious and largely accepted that different people need different
    levels of some public services; other people pay a lot to educate my son,
    for example.  It's interesting where people decide to draw the line and how
    sure so many people are about drawing it.
    regards,
    Kate
 
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        Dear Colleagues; Can anyone suggest a critique of the notion of
        "independence" vis a vis
        disability? To me, it seems unfair to presume that disabled persons be
        "independent"
        when many non-disabled persons "depend" on house cleaners, nannies,
        gardeners,
        butlers, an entire assortment of "assistants". Any thoughts? Thanks, Lilith
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