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Apologies for just catching up on this thread, and I'm not sure if it has been mentioned in this Forum, either after this e:mail or before in another discussion. Can someone tell me why $e is being used for relator terms rather than $4 for relator codes? Our system copes well with $4 within the name authority file (i.e. no duplicates) but we can display the $4 in headings. Also the codes are standard where as I would be concerned about consistency of the terms being used in $e. Alyson Lochhead Resource Assistant Information Services Edinburgh Napier University [log in to unmask] 0131 455 4277 -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicky Ransom Sent: 24 October 2012 11:02 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 I think the relationship designators come into particular usefulness in records for motion pictures, where a particular person, eg Clint Eastwood, might have a role as a director or actor, depending on the film. Users are likely to want to search for one or other other, and it would be useful for them to have the ability to differentiate. Nicky Ransom Data Quality Manager & Cataloguer University for the Creative Arts Farnham GU9 7DS 01252 892739 [log in to unmask] ________________________________________ From: CIG E-Forum [[log in to unmask]] on behalf of Helen Doyle [[log in to unmask]] Sent: 24 October 2012 10:55 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 Relationship designators - does the splitting up of people and corp. bodies into creator/other person etc associated/contributor not already indicate relationships to some extent? That said, I guess it pays to be as accurate/detailed as possible in the long run. HelenD. Helen Doyle Assistant Librarian Royal Academy of Dance 36 Battersea Square London SW11 3RA 0207 326 8032 >>> "Lee, Deborah" <[log in to unmask]> 10/24/2012 10:49 am >>> I found it odd to add the punctuation in the ISBN (years of AACR2 practices die hard, I guess!!), and wonder whether our system will file the ISBNs correctly. I also wonder about whether we need "ISBN" at the front of the ISBNs, as I noticed some of us have done this and some not. In the MARC environment, would this be superseded by the field display tag? (Just wondering ...) Debbie Deborah Lee Senior cataloguer Book Library Courtauld Institute of Art Somerset House Strand London WC2R 0RN Telephone: 020 7848 2905 Email: [log in to unmask] Now on at The Courtauld Gallery: Peter Lely: A Lyrical Vision 11 October 2012 - 13 January 2013 -----Original Message----- From: CIG E-Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicky Ransom Sent: 24 October 2012 10:46 To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: [CIG-E-FORUM] Discussion of record 2 Helen, I think I read that during the RDA test, the instruction was to record both dates, so that is why older records and some practices still show this perhaps? 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